[GOAL] Re: libre vs open - general language issues

[Stevan Harnad]

Perhaps it’s time for our newcomer, Nicolas Pettiaux, to stop posting for
a while and do a little reading to inform himself about OA and its (short)
history. Otherwise he is just making us recapitulate it for him.

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be> wrote:
> 
> Dear
> 
> I appreciate these discussions and clarifications. For me, and for most 
> people who are nex to the subjects and I meet, "Gold open access" and 
> "green open access" are confusing terms, even though they have been used 
> for a long time in official documents.
> 
> Green refers to nature and gold to expensive. What else for newcomers (= 
> most people in fact) ?
> 
> And nature is not necessarily cheap, while gold is most of the time 
> expensive.
> 
> What is "cheap open access" ? By cheap open access, I mean the full 
> price of publishing a work (most of the time online only) in such a way 
> that its overal price be as low as possible and ONLY reflect the actual 
> costs ?
> 
> The best method I can think of is forget about ANY journals, and 
> consider as "publication quality paper" a work that is published 
> anywhere online, be it on an institutional (open) repository or any 
> website. Stop counting papers but only refer to their quality as 
> measured for example effective evaluation of a committee made of human 
> beings and not anymore by any accounting technique. Yes, this would 
> suppose that on a per document base, or per person base, a committee 
> would have to do actual work. But this is done already for most grant 
> attribution or tenure selection processes. Maybe not yet by the actual 
> reading of the papers and comments about his own papers an authors would 
> write.
> Comments on a public website where the paper is published could also be 
> taken into account in the evaluation.
> 
> Many people agree today to consider that the peer review system does not 
> work anymore due to a too large number of submitted papers and a too 
> large number of journals/reviews.
> 
> Is there any other solution than dumping the reviews, the journals, the 
> papers as they are evaluated and listed today ? I am not the one 
> proposing this . I have discussed the subject with Pierre-Louis Lions, a 
> famous French mathematician, professor at the College de France and 
> president of the board of the Ecole Normale supérieure who mentioned 
> such a procedure he would appreciate and support.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Pettiaux, phd  - nicolas at pettiaux.be
> Open at work - Une Société libre utilise des outils libres
> 
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