[GOAL] Re: What is the GOAL?

[Jacinto Dávila]

Before we get trapped into the technical details, I think we must welcome
the spirit of Jeroen's wisth list and of Heather's challenge. Thank you so
much.

CC-BY does have that kind of potential problem. The free software community
saw that coming and invented copyleft. CC-BY-SA sort that out, I think.

On 8 April 2015 at 09:06, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:04 PM, David Prosser <david.prosser at rluk.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> > Jeroen - CC-BY license
>> >
>> > Heather - NO!!! the CC-BY license is a major strategic error of the
>> open access movement. Allowing downstream commercial use to anyone opens up
>> the possibility of re-enclosure.  ...
>>
>> I continue to be unable to grasp Heather’s argument.  If, for whatever
>> reason, I purchase from you a CC-BY article I can, as it is CC-BY, make the
>> article freely available.  I don’t see how CC-BY allows for re-enclosure
>> when it contains within itself the ultimate enclosure-busting feature of
>> allowing unlimited distribution provided there is attribution.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
> I completely agree with David. If HeatherM can show us that total
> enclosure has ever actually occurred we need to know. The conditions are
> almost inconceivable:
> * a commercial company encloses the *published* CC-BY article. It strips
> off the licence (thereby breaking the contract).
> * the world destroys or loses ALL other copies of the manuscript. It then
> forgets that this manuscript ever existed as CC-BY.
>
> Only then does the illegally enclosed object represent monopoly control.
>
> In the normal case there are always copies of the un-enclosed article
> available for free use, re-use, modification and redistribution
>
> P.
>
> [Far more serious is the following scenario which happens frequently
> enough to be really serious. A traditional toll-access publisher accepts
> payment from an author/funder for CC-BY licensing. It then publishes the
> manuscript without CC-BY and under a more (often completely) restrictive
> licence. Only the author/funder knows that the m/s should be CC-BY. Unless
> they publish this information (as Wellcome Trust and some libraries did
> last year) the m/s will remain closed and will continue to be resold. And
> early copies , before the discovery, will probably still circulate with
> "All rights reserved". ]
>
>
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> Peter Murray-Rust
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