[GOAL] Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers
Mauricio Tuffani
mauricio at tuffani.net
Sat Apr 4 16:04:16 BST 2015
Mr. Dávila,
Sorry, but I tested again the access to all these 17 titles. And I freely
downloaded papers from the websites of all of them, except the two
discontinued.
If you really think that these journals are not OA, I suggest you let them
know it.
*Maurício Tuffanihttp://folha.com/mauriciotuffani
<http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani>mauricio at tuffani.net
<mauricio at tuffani.net>*
2015-04-04 11:27 GMT-03:00 Jacinto Dávila <jacinto.davila at gmail.com>:
> I am sorry Mr. Tuffani, but your are just adopting Beall's list and,
> therefore, copying his mistakes or, at least, his anti-OA stance.
>
> You suggest that Qualis comes "without rigor" and inmediately claims "The
> expression “predatory journals” has been used for some years to designate
> academic journals published by companies operating without scientific rigor
> an important scientific communication initiative that came up with the
> internet. This is the *Open Access
> <http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm>* (OA), the
> editorial model of publishing articles in open access, funded by the
> academic institutions sponsoring their own journals or by charging fees
> from the authors of the studies."
>
> Well, this 17 journals in your lists ARE NOT Open Access. They did not
> even claim to be:
>
> *WSEAS <http://www.wseas.org/> (World Science and Engineering Academy
> Society)****
>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Acoustics and Music
> <http://www.worldses.org/journals/acoustics/index.html> [ISSN:
> 1109-9577 – descontinuado]
> - WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006> [ISSN: 1991-8747]
> - WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006> [ISSN: 2224-3429]
> - WSEAS Transactions on Biology and Biomedicine
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4011>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Circuits
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=2861>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Circuits and Systems
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=2861>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Communications
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4021>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Computer Research
> <http://www.worldses.org/journals/research/index.html> [ISSN:
> 1991-8755 – descontinuado]
> - WSEAS Transactions on Computers
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4026>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Environment and Development
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4031>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Fluid Mechanics
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4036>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Information Science and Applications
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4046>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Mathematics
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4051>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Power Systems
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4057>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Systems
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4057>
> - WSEAS Transactions on Systems and Control
> <http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4073>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ****O WASEAS não tem clareza sobre os valores de suas taxas de
> processamento de artigos. O publisher tem feito muitas “operações casadas”
> que envolvem taxas de inscrição em evento*
>
> Maybe what you want to say is what Mr. Beall seems to state: they are
> "potentially" OA. But then, with this lack of rigor, everything is OA.
> Perhaps, while you are criticising OA for this you should also, for the
> sake of neutrality, explain how one of these 17 has this kind of "standard"
> support:
>
> WSEAS Transactions on Systems and Control (appears in)
>
> - Cabell Publishing
> - CiteSeerx
> - Cobiss
> - Compendex®
> - EBSCO
> - EBSCOhost | Academic Search Research and Development
> - EBSCOhost | Applied Science and Technology Source
> - EBSCOhost | Energy & Power Source
> - EBSCOhost | TOC Premier™
> - Electronic Journals Library
> - ELSEVIER®
> - Engineering Index (EI)
> - Engineering Village
> - Google Scholar
> - Inspec | The IET
> - Microsoft Academic Search System
> - SCIRUS
> - SCOPUS®
> - SWETS
> - TIB|UB | German National Library of Science and Technology
> - Ulrich's International Periodicals Directory
> - WorldCat OCLC
>
> These are not OA indexes. Predatory behaviour is a wider issue.
>
>
>
>
> On 4 April 2015 at 06:57, Mauricio Tuffani <mauricio at tuffani.net> wrote:
>
>> The translation is now available:
>>
>> Brazilian graduate system counts now 235 predatory journals
>> <http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/brazilian-graduate-system-counts-now-235-predatory-journals/>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Maurício Tuffanihttp://folha.com/mauriciotuffani
>> <http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani>mauricio at tuffani.net
>> <mauricio at tuffani.net>*
>>
>>
>> 2015-04-03 18:34 GMT-03:00 Mauricio Tuffani <mauricio at tuffani.net>:
>>
>> Mr. Davila,
>>>
>>> The list is published from March 9 — accessible through the same link in
>>> my report indicated here by Mr. Beall — and has been updated today. Now are
>>> at least 235 predatory journals in Qualis.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/publishers-predatorios-e-seus-periodicos-no-qualis/
>>>
>>> Auditing and supervision are precisely what is not allowed by all the
>>> publishers in that list. In all my posts and articles I have emphasized the
>>> need for such transparency. And I do not need to explain this by defining
>>> OA. My focus is not to attack OA, but also is not make OA advocacy.
>>>
>>> Maurício Tuffani
>>>
>>> 2015-04-02 18:47 GMT-03:00 Jacinto Dávila <jacinto.davila at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Publish that list Mr Tuffani. Openness is not only about allowing papers
>>>> to be read "in the Internet". But also about allowing auditing and
>>>> supervision of all sorts and at all levels. I understand you must summarize
>>>> the arguments for non-expert readers. But this is a gross
>>>> over-simplification of OA:
>>>>
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>> *Open Access*
>>>>
>>>> Predatory journals are academic journals published by companies
>>>> operating, without scientific rigor, an important scientific communication
>>>> initiative that came up with the internet. This is the *Open Access
>>>> <http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm>* (OA), the
>>>> editorial model of publishing articles in open access, based on the
>>>> charging of fees from authors or funding by scientific institutions.
>>>>
>>>> Both in the OA as in the traditional model maintained by annual
>>>> subscriptions or fees per downloaded article from the Internet, reputable
>>>> journals take months or even over a year to review and accept articles, or
>>>> reject them.
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 April 2015 at 16:41, Jean-Claude Guédon <
>>>> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If some academics find it difficult publicly to denounce what
>>>>> obviously are rogue journals, others obviously will. It is only a question
>>>>> of perseverance. Furthermore, we need academics only to endorse journals
>>>>> that they know to be legitimate. Those without the ability to have five
>>>>> open sponsors will simply stand out in the list (that for colleagues who
>>>>> might be scared of being sued).
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, Mr. Tuffani, all you have to do is publish the list of the
>>>>> 200 doubtful titles and ask who would be willing to put his/her good name
>>>>> behind any of these journals. If it turns out that some are actually
>>>>> legitimate, we shall soon know. They will have no difficulty in garnering
>>>>> five sponsors who can be easily identified and queried as to their decision
>>>>> to support a particular title.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Claude Guédon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Claude Guédon
>>>>> Professeur titulaire
>>>>> Littérature comparée
>>>>> Université de Montréal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le jeudi 02 avril 2015 à 17:28 -0300, Mauricio Tuffani a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> I will write about the suggestions of Mrs. Morrison and Mr. Guédon to
>>>>> CAPES. But I sent them previously for this Brazilian federal agency, as I
>>>>> reported in my post yesterday, whose translation is available in the page
>>>>> of the link below.
>>>>>
>>>>> "
>>>>>
>>>>> The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers
>>>>>
>>>>> "
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/the-qualis-and-the-silence-of-the-brazilian-researchers/
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> ***************************
>>>>> Maurício Tuffani
>>>>> Journalist, science writer
>>>>> São Paulo, SP, Brazil
>>>>> Mobile: +55 11 99164-8443
>>>>> Phone: +55 11 2366-9949
>>>>> http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani
>>>>> mauricio at tuffani.net
>>>>> ***************************
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacinto Dávila
>>>> http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto
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