[GOAL] Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers
Jacinto Dávila
jacinto.davila at gmail.com
Sat Apr 4 15:27:14 BST 2015
I am sorry Mr. Tuffani, but your are just adopting Beall's list and,
therefore, copying his mistakes or, at least, his anti-OA stance.
You suggest that Qualis comes "without rigor" and inmediately claims "The
expression “predatory journals” has been used for some years to designate
academic journals published by companies operating without scientific rigor
an important scientific communication initiative that came up with the
internet. This is the *Open Access
<http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm>* (OA), the
editorial model of publishing articles in open access, funded by the
academic institutions sponsoring their own journals or by charging fees
from the authors of the studies."
Well, this 17 journals in your lists ARE NOT Open Access. They did not even
claim to be:
*WSEAS <http://www.wseas.org/> (World Science and Engineering Academy
Society)****
- WSEAS Transactions on Acoustics and Music
<http://www.worldses.org/journals/acoustics/index.html> [ISSN: 1109-9577
– descontinuado]
- WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006> [ISSN: 1991-8747]
- WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006> [ISSN: 2224-3429]
- WSEAS Transactions on Biology and Biomedicine
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4011>
- WSEAS Transactions on Circuits
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=2861>
- WSEAS Transactions on Circuits and Systems
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=2861>
- WSEAS Transactions on Communications
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4021>
- WSEAS Transactions on Computer Research
<http://www.worldses.org/journals/research/index.html> [ISSN: 1991-8755
– descontinuado]
- WSEAS Transactions on Computers
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4026>
- WSEAS Transactions on Environment and Development
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4031>
- WSEAS Transactions on Fluid Mechanics
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4036>
- WSEAS Transactions on Information Science and Applications
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4046>
- WSEAS Transactions on Mathematics
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4051>
- WSEAS Transactions on Power Systems
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4057>
- WSEAS Transactions on Systems
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4057>
- WSEAS Transactions on Systems and Control
<http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4073>
------------------------------
****O WASEAS não tem clareza sobre os valores de suas taxas de
processamento de artigos. O publisher tem feito muitas “operações casadas”
que envolvem taxas de inscrição em evento*
Maybe what you want to say is what Mr. Beall seems to state: they are
"potentially" OA. But then, with this lack of rigor, everything is OA.
Perhaps, while you are criticising OA for this you should also, for the
sake of neutrality, explain how one of these 17 has this kind of "standard"
support:
WSEAS Transactions on Systems and Control (appears in)
- Cabell Publishing
- CiteSeerx
- Cobiss
- Compendex®
- EBSCO
- EBSCOhost | Academic Search Research and Development
- EBSCOhost | Applied Science and Technology Source
- EBSCOhost | Energy & Power Source
- EBSCOhost | TOC Premier™
- Electronic Journals Library
- ELSEVIER®
- Engineering Index (EI)
- Engineering Village
- Google Scholar
- Inspec | The IET
- Microsoft Academic Search System
- SCIRUS
- SCOPUS®
- SWETS
- TIB|UB | German National Library of Science and Technology
- Ulrich's International Periodicals Directory
- WorldCat OCLC
These are not OA indexes. Predatory behaviour is a wider issue.
On 4 April 2015 at 06:57, Mauricio Tuffani <mauricio at tuffani.net> wrote:
> The translation is now available:
>
> Brazilian graduate system counts now 235 predatory journals
> <http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/brazilian-graduate-system-counts-now-235-predatory-journals/>
>
>
>
> *Maurício Tuffanihttp://folha.com/mauriciotuffani
> <http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani>mauricio at tuffani.net
> <mauricio at tuffani.net>*
>
>
> 2015-04-03 18:34 GMT-03:00 Mauricio Tuffani <mauricio at tuffani.net>:
>
> Mr. Davila,
>>
>> The list is published from March 9 — accessible through the same link in
>> my report indicated here by Mr. Beall — and has been updated today. Now are
>> at least 235 predatory journals in Qualis.
>>
>>
>> http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/publishers-predatorios-e-seus-periodicos-no-qualis/
>>
>> Auditing and supervision are precisely what is not allowed by all the
>> publishers in that list. In all my posts and articles I have emphasized the
>> need for such transparency. And I do not need to explain this by defining
>> OA. My focus is not to attack OA, but also is not make OA advocacy.
>>
>> Maurício Tuffani
>>
>> 2015-04-02 18:47 GMT-03:00 Jacinto Dávila <jacinto.davila at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Publish that list Mr Tuffani. Openness is not only about allowing papers
>>> to be read "in the Internet". But also about allowing auditing and
>>> supervision of all sorts and at all levels. I understand you must summarize
>>> the arguments for non-expert readers. But this is a gross
>>> over-simplification of OA:
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> *Open Access*
>>>
>>> Predatory journals are academic journals published by companies
>>> operating, without scientific rigor, an important scientific communication
>>> initiative that came up with the internet. This is the *Open Access
>>> <http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm>* (OA), the
>>> editorial model of publishing articles in open access, based on the
>>> charging of fees from authors or funding by scientific institutions.
>>>
>>> Both in the OA as in the traditional model maintained by annual
>>> subscriptions or fees per downloaded article from the Internet, reputable
>>> journals take months or even over a year to review and accept articles, or
>>> reject them.
>>> "
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 April 2015 at 16:41, Jean-Claude Guédon <
>>> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If some academics find it difficult publicly to denounce what
>>>> obviously are rogue journals, others obviously will. It is only a question
>>>> of perseverance. Furthermore, we need academics only to endorse journals
>>>> that they know to be legitimate. Those without the ability to have five
>>>> open sponsors will simply stand out in the list (that for colleagues who
>>>> might be scared of being sued).
>>>>
>>>> Besides, Mr. Tuffani, all you have to do is publish the list of the 200
>>>> doubtful titles and ask who would be willing to put his/her good name
>>>> behind any of these journals. If it turns out that some are actually
>>>> legitimate, we shall soon know. They will have no difficulty in garnering
>>>> five sponsors who can be easily identified and queried as to their decision
>>>> to support a particular title.
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Claude Guédon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Claude Guédon
>>>> Professeur titulaire
>>>> Littérature comparée
>>>> Université de Montréal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le jeudi 02 avril 2015 à 17:28 -0300, Mauricio Tuffani a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> I will write about the suggestions of Mrs. Morrison and Mr. Guédon to
>>>> CAPES. But I sent them previously for this Brazilian federal agency, as I
>>>> reported in my post yesterday, whose translation is available in the page
>>>> of the link below.
>>>>
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>> The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers
>>>>
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/the-qualis-and-the-silence-of-the-brazilian-researchers/
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> ***************************
>>>> Maurício Tuffani
>>>> Journalist, science writer
>>>> São Paulo, SP, Brazil
>>>> Mobile: +55 11 99164-8443
>>>> Phone: +55 11 2366-9949
>>>> http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani
>>>> mauricio at tuffani.net
>>>> ***************************
>>>>
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>>>
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