[GOAL] Re: Scopus and gold OA: open2closed, is this what we want?

[Eric F. Van de Velde]

Heather:
Open Access was never about eliminating any possibility to make money of
scholarly publications.

When it came to pricing of journals, it was at most to provide some
balance: if the author-formatted version is available for free, you are
still welcome to pay for the published version on the basis of what
publishers add to the value of the paper.

Scopus, Web of Knowledge, and others are providing services that may save
you time. It is up to the customer to decide how much their time is worth.

Of course, much of the pricing flexibility of scholarly publishers and
service providers comes from the fact that most of their customers do not
pay for the service themselves. Their libraries do. A standard principle
agent problem...
--Eric.


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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen) <j.bosman at uu.nl>
wrote:

> Heather,
>
> The share of OA papers is probably way lower, because those 14% OA
> journals have on average much less volumes indexed in Scopus than the
> paywall journals. I wouldn't be surprised if it was below 5%.
>
> But was is more important, no one buys Scopus for the (abstract) content.
> Libraries license Scopus for its search functionality, citation links,
> author disambiguation, indexing terms, advanced search capabilities,
> affiliation histories, book chapter indexing etc etc.
>
> Access to the abstracts is in most cases free at the publisher platforms,
> no matter whether it concerns OA journals or paywalled journals.
>
> So I think it would not be fair to say Scopus is making big money out of
> Open Access content the way you do.
>
> Best,
> Jeroen
>
>
>
> Op 13 okt. 2014 om 17:11 heeft "Heather Morrison" <
> Heather.Morrison at uottawa.ca> het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Elsevier's for-pay Scopus service includes "More than 20,000
> peer-reviewed journals, including 2,800 gold open access journals" from:
> http://www.elsevier.com/online-tools/scopus/content-overview
> >
> > 14% of the journal content for this commercial toll access service comes
> from gold OA.
> >
> > When OA advocates insist on granting blanket commercial rights
> downstream, is this the kind of future for scholarly communication that is
> envisaged, one that takes free content licensed CC-BY or CC-BY-SA and locks
> it up in service packages for sale for those who can pay?
> >
> > One of the visions of the original Budapest Open Access Initiative is
> that OA will  "share the learning of the rich with the poor and the poor
> with the rich". I argue that if the poor are convinced or coerced to give
> away their work for blanket commercial rights downstream and the result is
> services like Scopus, this is a much more straightforward sharing of the
> poor with the rich. A researcher in a developing country giving away their
> work as CC-BY gets the benefit of wider dissemination of their own work,
> but may be shut out of services like Scopus, the next generation of tools
> designed to advance research.
> > BOAI: http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read
> >
> > Thanks very much to Elsevier, Scopus, and participating gold OA
> publishers for a great example of the downside of granting blanket
> commercial rights downstream.
> >
> > best,
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Heather Morrison
> > Assistant Professor
> > École des sciences de l'information / School of Information Studies
> > University of Ottawa
> > http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html
> > Sustaining the Knowledge Commons http://sustainingknowledgecommons.org/
> > Heather.Morrison at uottawa.ca
> >
> >
> >
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