[GOAL] Re: Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list

[Richard Poynder]

Dear List Members,

 

I have received a number of off list replies to this message below. Based on
that feedback I am asking list members not to post messages to GOAL that are
CC'd to other lists, or messages where the TO field includes other lists.

 

Richard Poynder

GOAL Moderator

 

From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf
Of Richard Poynder
Sent: 29 December 2013 16:58
To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'
Subject: [GOAL] Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list

 

Dear Peter,

 

It is true that I emailed you and Stevan and suggested that since you had
both stated your views quite clearly on the topic, and were unlikely to
agree with one another, then it might be best to leave it at that in order
not to overload list members. I did not refuse to post any messages; I asked
if you might be willing to refrain, and you agreed. 

 

To go one step further back, I had asked Stevan if he would mind not posting
the full text of the message you objected to, since I had noticed that he
had already posted it on his blog: 

 

http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1092-I-dont-want-free-onli
ne-access-I-want-free-online-access-with-re-use-rights!.html

 

Stevan agreed to link to it instead here: 

 

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html. 

 

You then brought some of his points back to GOAL in order to respond to
Stevan's blog post: 

 

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html

 

However, last night Joe Kraus responded to a copy of the message that I
assume was posted on the SPARC Forum (to which it seems Stevan copied the
full text of his message, not the link), and to which GOAL was also copied:

 

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002592.html

 

Stevan's SPARC Forum message is here:

 

https://groups.google.com/a/arl.org/forum/#!topic/sparc-oaforum/l7ab6s3Fjdc

 

In the circumstances, it seemed only reasonable to allow Stevan to respond
to Joe's message, so I posted Stevan's response:

 

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html

 

At that point Jan Velterop also made a contribution:

 

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002595.html

 

To which Stevan responded:

 

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002596.html

 

At least that is how I assume the process unfolded. 

 

Can I suggest that one way we might avoid this kind of situation is for list
members not to cross post to multiple lists?

 

So my question is: would anyone object to our agreeing that, in order to
avoid confusion, when list members send messages to GOAL they do not copy
other lists into the same message? 

 

Richard Poynder

GOAL Moderator

 

 

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Cc: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum <LIBLICENSE-L at listserv.crl.edu
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:38:20 +0000

Subject: Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list

Richard,

I would be grateful if you could post the following message verbatim to the
GOAL list - it is likely to be my last.

In a recent post to the GOAL list
(http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html )
Stevan Harnad put forward 10 reasons why immediate non-BOAI access is better
than BOAI access. I felt that these needed to be challenged and replied to
two points:

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html

and

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002589.html

You then mailed me and asked me not to post any more such messages  on the
GOAL list.  I note however that you have allowed SH to continue arguing his
case.

http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html

My messages challenged the postings, not the person.  I had assumed that the
GOAL list would allow a balanced debate and am sad to find it will not allow
one.

It is a pity that there is no forum or body which allows constructive debate
on Open Access - and that is one reason why I and colleagues have set up
https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-access. 

Peter

 

 

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