[GOAL] Re: Speech by Dutch junior minister in Berlin

[Gerritsma, Wouter]

Despite the choice for the Gold Road to Open Access there are a few small policy changes needed to reinforce the Dutch Repository landscape. I  have blogged about these issues as a response to @SanderDekker his APE2014 speech at  http://wowter.net/2014/02/02/week-review-week-5-2014/

Another view on APE2014 by Wilma van Wezenbeek (Director for Dulft University Library) can be found at http://tulibrarian.weblog.tudelft.nl/2014/01/30/the-way-forward-being-sufficiently-ignorant/

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From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad
Sent: woensdag 29 januari 2014 14:44
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Subject: [GOAL] Re: Speech by Dutch junior minister in Berlin

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Jeroen Bosman <jeroensbox at gmail.com<mailto:jeroensbox at gmail.com>> wrote:

...Dutch junior education minister Sander Dekker gave a speech at APE2014 in Berlin.... http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/regering/bewindspersonen/sander-dekker/toespraken/2014/01/28/open-acess-going-for-gold.html

Although his drive for OA can be applauded, there is [1] nothing new in his talk, except his  [2] intention to invite all EU ministers to try and align OA policy. And the way he [3] dismisses green OA is regrettable.

Dekker reiterated that [4] Green OA is cumbersome to find (he probably never uses Google Scholar) and he even suggested  that [5] Green OA is not peer reviewed.

In response to this, On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Armbruster, Chris <Chris.Armbruster at eui.eu<mailto:Chris.Armbruster at eui.eu>> wrote:

Dekker's speech was remarkable for being clear and concise. It is a long time since someone made the case so well.

I would tend to agree with Jeroen Bosman:

(1) Dekker has said exactly the same things before;
(2) the rest of the EU (with the exception of the UK's Finch committee) and all the rest of the world sees things differently, and Dekker is trying to persuade them to see things his way;
(3) Dekker's way is to prefer a policy of providing open access to Netherlands peer-reviewed journal articles through paying extra to publish them in Gold OA journals rather than a policy of providing open access to Netherlands peer-reviewed journal articles at no extra cost through Green OA self-archiving while the publication costs for all uncancellable subscription journals are still being paid in full by Netherlands and the rest of the world;
(4) Dekker apparently misunderstands how peer-reviewed journal articles that are on the internet are searched and found;
(5) Dekker apparently misunderstands that all peer-reviewed journal articles are peer-reviewed, whether Gold or Green.

Dekker does, however, understands the lobbying of peer-reviewed journal publishers -- most of whom happen to be located in his country, the Netherlands, and the UK -- to the effect that Green OA is a threat to the sustainability of subscriptions, and  therefore, to ensure that publishing revenues are sustained at their current levels, the Netherlands should double-pay pre-emptively for both subscriptions and Fool's Gold OA, rather than mandating Green OA with the risk that it may eventually force publishers to convert to Fair Gold OA at an affordable, sustainable price.

All of this is not only predictable, given the concentration of publishing interests in the Netherlands, but it has been said before -- and responded to before. See: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK & Netherlands: Part I<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1073-The-Journal-Publisher-Lobby-in-the-UK-Netherlands-Part-I.html>
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