[GOAL] Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

[Dana Roth]

I agree with Stevan ... especially in regards the wishful thinking about librarians "getting out of the business of subscribing to journals" or that "they're ready to go for it"

Given the editorial participation and submissions to independent society published journals (e.g. ACS, RSC, APS, AIP, AMS, etc.), faculty members in these fields are very likely to change anytime soon.

Biology and medicine are exceptions that are or need to be dealt with independently.

In any event, Green OA is a very viable alterantive to what I consider the real 'toll-access journals' ...namely those from commercial publishers.

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From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad
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Subject: [GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bjoern Brembs <b.brembs at gmail.com<mailto:b.brembs at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Eric,

I am so completely and utterly on your page. This is precisely the way we need to go and every library meeting I speak at confirms this view: everyone I meet there gives me the feedback that they're ready to go for it.

The page is getting a bit crowded, and somewhat illegible!

Of course Eric, Bernard and I agree on the advantages of distributed institutional repositories over central ones (for direct deposit -- central repositories are fine for export or harvesting).

And that agreement is not ideological but practical.

But as for librarians getting out of the business of subscribing to journals -- that's just ideology (and completely unrealistic) as long as authors don't into the business of self-archiving their published articles in their institutional repositories.

And that's precisely what Green OA mandates are for.

Without an effective Green OA mandate, institutional repositories are useless (for OA).

Users need access, now, and if they can't have open access, they at least need as much subscription access as their institutions can afford.

May I suggest that we clearly distinguish our practical points from those that are merely ideological desiderata and wishful thinking?

Stevan Harnad

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