[GOAL] Re: US Presidential Open Access Directive: 3 Cheers and 8 Suggestions

[Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)]

Hi Robert,

I'm a little surprised you would use Elsevier as an example here as we also have an agreement with you and other funders for EuropePMC.  We are happy to work with a spectrum of repositories, and do so.

With kind wishes,

Alicia

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From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf Of Kiley, Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:24 PM
To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'
Subject: [GOAL] Re: US Presidential Open Access Directive: 3 Cheers and 8 Suggestions

Andrew

Even if "deposit locally and then harvest centrally" is easy (and I would argue that it makes far more sense to do it the other way round, not least as a central repository like Europe PMC would have to harvest content from potentially hundreds of repositories) the real problem is this content typically cannot be harvested (and made available) for legal reasons.

So, by way of example, if you look at the Elsevier archiving policy (http://www.elsevier.com/about/open-access/green-open-access) you will see that archiving of the Accepted Author Manuscripts **is** permissible in IR's (and somewhat curiously in Arxiv), but not elsewhere, like PMC or Europe PMC.   So, if we set out about harvesting content and then making it available, we would receive take-down notices, which we would be obligated to comply with.  I use Elsevier in this example, but other publishers also "monitor" PMC/Europe PMC and issue take-down notices as they deem appropriate.

A better approach, in my opinion, is to encourage deposit centrally, where, not only can we convert the document into a more preservation-friendly, XML format, but we can also have clarity as to whether we can subsequently distribute the document to the relevant IR.  From April 2012, all Wellcome funded content that is published under a "gold" model will be licenced using CC-BY, and as such, suitable for redistribution to an IR (or indeed anywhere, subject to proper attribution).

Regards
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf Of Andrew A. Adams
Sent: 24 February 2013 12:18
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci); Murray-Rust, Peter
Subject: [GOAL] Re: US Presidential Open Access Directive: 3 Cheers and 8 Suggestions


Peter,

Thank you for the correction. I mis-remembered the mandate from these (I think a bit confusingly named) systems. Too late to send a correction to an organisation like the White House. Hopefully if anyone who understand it well enough for it to be useful actually reads it, they will also spot and discount the error.

On your point on central deposit, I beg to differ, as you know. Deposit locally then harvest centrally is far more sensible than trying to mandate different deposit loci for the various authors in an institution. It's easy enough to automatically harvest/cross-deposit, and then one gets the best of all worlds. Central deposit and then local harvest is the wrong workflow. 
It's trying to make a river flow upstream. Sure, you can do it, but why bother if all you need is a connection one way or the other. ALl the benefits you claim simply come from deposit, not direct deposit, in central repositories. Which would you recommend for medical physics, by the way? 
ArXiv or PMC? Both surely, but that's much more easily achieved if the workflow is to deposit locally then automatically upload/harvest to both, than two central deposits or trying to set up cross-harvesting from ArXiv to PMC.


-- 
Professor Andrew A Adams                      aaa at meiji.ac.jp
Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration,  and Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics
Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan       http://www.a-cubed.info/


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