[GOAL] Re: RCUK policy: relationship between green and CC-BY-NC

[Peter Murray-Rust]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Hans Pfeiffenberger <
hans.pfeiffenberger at awi.de> wrote:

>  Mark,
>
> Am 01.02.13 11:07, schrieb Thorley, Mark R.:
>
> The policy does not define a specific licence for green deposit, provided non-commercial re-use such as text and data mining is supported.
>
>  if now Google (Scholar) set out to go beyond indexing and offered (free)
> access to text mining of the documents they crawled, this would most
> certainly be a commercial activity.
>
> Wouldn't you think that an explicit endorsement of publishers claiming a
> limitation of commercial use from authors is unwise?
>

NC is a minefield and I predict that no-one will ever take someone to court
for violating it. However I think many publishers will generate FUD around
it. And FUD paralyses academics, especially the library.


> How can repositories make sure that "nobody" is making commercial use of
> the manuscripts they hold? Do they need to exclude Google (Scholar) from
> indexing, just in case?
>

Publishers as well as repositories have a Faustian bargain with Google.
Publishers need Google as they are otherwise incapable of providing modern
search tools. But publishers need to prevent innovation from people like me
as it threatens their "ownership of content".


>
> (@PMR: Contrary to what you believe, I would operate and formulate policy
> from the assumption that sooner or later documents from almost *all*disciplines may be mined profitably).
>
I completely believe that   that "sooner or later documents from almost *all
* disciplines may be mined profitably". We are developing our technology
("liberation software") with CC-BY publishing as being sued by publishers
is a distraction from writing code.

But coome October 2013 in UK Hargreaves says all bets are off. Our sotware
will be running red-hot after that date. It takes ca 1 sec on my laptop to
mine a page. There are perhaps 30 million pages publised per year. That's

ONE-LAPTOP_YEAR to mine the whole STM literature

And the product will be an order of magnitude more valuable than any
current closed scientific databases. The results will be fully semantic
with recall/precision perhaps 50%.

 Anyone can join us

>
> Just to mention another commercial use: ResearchGate (allegedly a social
> network for researchers) and similars are certainly for profit (even if one
> cannot see how they could make a profit). Is a researcher allowed to upload
> their manuscript there?
>
>
Or Mendeley? The whole thing is absurd. The major commercial publishers are
simply FUDging for time.


> best,
>
> Hans
>
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Peter Murray-Rust
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Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
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