[GOAL] Re: Gold OA: Publication costs and journal impact factors

[Pippa Smart]

There are some journals charging a submission fee outside the
"mainstream" EU/USA journal environment. I have heard them mentioned
in several countries, but only have evidence of journals in Kenya and
Nigeria (and the model that one I met used is that the submission fee
is refunded if the article is published).

One justification for charging this is that they also pay peer
reviewers (not something I think is really sustainable in other
environments).
Pippa

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On 12 October 2012 16:42, Jan Velterop <velterop at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's entirely logical; I agree with Sally.
>
> What you're also likely to find is that OA articles in hybrid journals are just a small fraction of the number of OA articles in fully OA journals. Probably a consequence of a functional market already working.
>
> It does indicate, though, a flaw in the way article processing charges for OA are levied on published articles only. Thus perpetuating the deep flaw in the subscription model, namely that all the costs are loaded onto the published articles only, whereas rejecting involves arguably a similar amount of work per paper. A submission fee (analogous to, say, an exam fee) would be much fairer. They don't exist (that is to say, not as a means to cover all costs of a journal). Nobody has the guts to start charging only submission fees.
>
> There are of course also problems with submission fees. If you have to pay and still run the risk of rejection, you would want to be very sure that the peer-review has been carried out professionally and well, and you would expect accountability. Many journals would risk failure on the accountability front, I suspect.
>
> But the benefits reach beyond fairness. Submissions would be far less speculative and pitched at the right level far more often than is the case now. Preventing the cascading down effect, with all the waste of reviewers' time that comes with multiple rounds of rejection and submission elsewhere, must be an attractive consequence. Not to mention the reformatting of manuscript necessary for many a new submission (because to a different journal) of a previously rejected article.
>
> Who dares? eLife perhaps, by the time it starts charging? Wouldn't be the first time the Wellcome Trust with their colleagues at HHMI and MPG turned out game changers.
>
> Jan Velterop
>
>
> On 12 Oct 2012, at 15:32, Sally Morris wrote:
>
>> I find it self-evident, rather than worrying
>>
>> On the value side of the pricing equation, publishing in a high IF journal
>> is clearly of more value to an author than publishing in a lo or no IF
>> journal.
>>
>> On the cost side, I'd guess that high IF journals tend to reject a higher %
>> of articles than low or no IF journals.  Accepted articles have to bear a
>> share of the costs of processing these articles up to the point of
>> rejection.
>>
>> Sally
>>
>>
>> Sally Morris
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf
>> Of ANDREW Theo
>> Sent: 12 October 2012 15:12
>> To: goal at eprints.org
>> Subject: [GOAL] Gold OA: Publication costs and journal impact factors
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'd like to draw your attention to a piece of work we have carried out which
>> looks at Gold OA fees and journal impact factors:
>>
>> http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/openscholarship/2012/10/02/impact-cost/
>>
>> In short, it appears that 1) hybrid journals generally charge more than full
>> OA journals independent of journal impact factor, and 2) hybrid journals
>> with high impact factors charge significantly more than other types of
>> journal for gold open access.
>>
>> I find this apparent correlation between journal impact factor and cost
>> worrying and would welcome feedback. Is this something that other people are
>> seeing or have we got our facts wrong?
>>
>> Kind regards, Theo
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