[GOAL] Re: Agreement on Green OA not needed from publishers but from institutions and funders

[Stevan Harnad]

On 2012-06-20, at 5:45 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) wrote:

> Hi Laurent,
>  
> Institutions already do have agreements with publishers via their libraries and/or library consortia.  This is certainly the case for INRIA. 

Some humble advice for institutions and libraries:

Negotiate with publishers about subscription price.

Decline to negotiate with publishers about institutional OA policy.

On no account allow anyone to lure you into discussing any contingency 
between institutional OA policy and subscription price.

Stevan Harnad

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> With kind wishes,
>  
> Alicia
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> From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf Of Laurent Romary
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:11 AM
> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Why should publishers agree to Green OA?
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> This definitely makes no sense. Institutions are not going to start negotiating agreements with all publishers one by one. Does Elsevier have so much man power left to start negotiating with all institutions one by one as well. The corresponding budget could then probably used to reduce subscriptions prices ;-)
> Laurent
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> Le 20 juin 2012 à 09:53, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) a écrit :
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> 
> Hi all,
>  
> Just a quick point of clarification…. Elsevier doesn’t forbid posting if there is a mandate.  We ask for an agreement with the institution that has the mandate, and there is no cost for these agreements.  The purpose of these agreements is to work out a win-win solution to find a way for the underlying journals in which academics choose to publish to be sustainable even if there are high posting rates.
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> With kind wishes,
>  
> Alicia
>  
> Dr Alicia Wise
> Director of Universal Access
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> From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces at eprints.org] On Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:23 PM
> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
> Subject: [GOAL] Why should publishers agree to Green OA?
>  
>  
> I have some simple questions about Green OA. I don't know the answers.
> 
> * is there any *contractual* relationship between a Green-publisher and any legal body? Or is Green simply a permission granted unilaterally by publishers when they feel like it, and withdrawable when they don't.
> * if Green starts impacting on publishers' revenues (and I understand this is part of the Green strategy - when we have 100% Green then publishers will have to change) what stops them simply withdrawing the permission? Or rationing it? Or any other anti-Green measure
> * Do publishers receive any funding from anywhere for allowing Green? Green is extra work for them - why should they increase the amount they do?
> * Is there any body which regularly "negotiates" with publishers such as ACS, who categorically forbid Green for now and for ever.
> 
> Various publishers seem to indicate that they will allow Green as long as it's a relatively small percentage. But, as Stevan has noted, if your institution mandates Green, then Elsevier forbids it. So I cannot see why, if Green were to reach - say - 50%, the publishers wouldn't simply ration it and prevent 100%.  
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> Peter Murray-Rust
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