[GOAL] Re: Finding a business model for a growing Open AccessJournal

Fri Jul 20 10:41:46 BST 2012

Hi Larry,
Thanks a lot for your message signaling the situation in the humanities. This is exactly to this end that alternative models to the green-gold yoke have been put in place in such platforms as openedition-revues.org (which I guess you're aware of). We need a little bit more creativity on the scholarly side if we actually want to see our results openly disseminated.
Have a read at: http://www.openedition.org/8873
Laurent
PS: Marin Dacos, the master mind behind openedition

Le 20 juil. 2012 à 11:13, l.hurtado at ed.ac.uk a écrit :

> I'm President of my UK learned society, and have had no contact about  
> the Finch project or anything connected with scholarly publishing.   
> So, I'm not confident that the scholarly community has been involved  
> adequately in the Finch process (though I stand to be corrected).
> From what little I've learned thus far of the "Gold OA" proposal, I'm  
> worried, particularly for two constituencies:
> --The models all seem heavily driven by the problems and practices of  
> the sciences, with little regard for the Humanities.  We don't (never  
> have) paid page charges.  Our journals aren't typically expensive at  
> all (an "expensive" journal might cost a univ library a few hundred  
> quid at most, and that would be rare).  We don't typically have  
> research grants to pay page charges (the govts typically don't see  
> Humanities research as important enough to fund it in any measure  
> other than token).
> --There are a number of private scholars in the Humanities who don't  
> hold Univ posts but produce high-quality work.  Who will pay their  
> page charges?
> 
> In short, once again, the Humanities seem to have been left largely  
> out of the thinking about consequences of the various models.
> 
> Larry Hurtado
> 
> Quoting "Hélène.Bosc" <hbosc-tchersky at orange.fr> on Thu, 19 Jul 2012  
> 21:13:57 +0200:
> 
>> See also this study :
>> BJÖRK, B.C. A Study of Innovative Features in Scholarly Open Access  
>> Journals. Journal of Medical Internet Research, vol. 13 (4), 2011.   
>> http://www.jmir.org/2011/4/e115/
>> 
>> Hélène Bosc
>> Open access to Scientific Communication
>> http://open-access.infodocs.eu/tiki-index.php
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Peter Suber
>>  To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:01 PM
>>  Subject: [GOAL] Re: Finding a business model for a growing Open  
>> AccessJournal
>> 
>> 
>>  See the list of OA journal business models at the Open Access Directory.
>>  http://oad.simmons.edu/oadwiki/OA_journal_business_models
>> 
>> 
>>       Peter
>> 
>> 
>>  Peter Suber
>>  gplus.to/petersuber
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>    I am forwarding a message from the OKFN's open-access list  
>> (http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-access which uses the  
>> term strictly to mean BOAI-compliant).
>> 
>>    The poster Katie runs a successful OA journal and asks how she  
>> can scale up without APCs. She raises the idea of a SCOAP3-like  
>> model for cancer. There must be a number of other people with the  
>> same question:
>>    * they don't want closed access
>>    * they don't want author-side fees
>>    * they recognize the money has to come from somewhere.
>> 
>>    Katie (and I) would be interested to know of possible models and  
>> possible nuclei of like-minded groups.
>> 
>>    This seems to me one of the key problems of the current time of  
>> transition.
>> 
>> 
>>    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>    From: Katie Foxall <katie at ecancer.org>
>>    Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM
>>    Subject: Re: [Open-access] SCOAP3
>>    To: open-access at lists.okfn.org
>> 
>> 
>>    Hello all
>> 
>>    I haven't posted [on OKFN open-access] before but have been  
>> following the discussions with much
>>    interest and have founds the info and links provided by various people
>>    really useful.  I run an open access cancer journal  
>> http://ecancer.org/ecms
>>    which has no author fees - we are currently mainly supported by charity
>>    funding but the journal has been growing at a great rate this year so I'm
>>    looking into accessing any funding that might be out there to  
>> support open
>>    access publishing.  The reality is that we will have to start charging
>>    author fees at some point if we can't get more funding and we  
>> really don't
>>    want to do that as providing a free service for the oncology community is
>>    very important to us.
>> 
>>    So does anyone know whether there is anything like SCOAP3 in the field of
>>    medical publishing?
>> 
>>    Thanks in advance for any help or advice anyone might be able to give me,
>> 
>>    Katie Foxall
>> 
>> 
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    From: open-access-bounces at lists.okfn.org
>>    [mailto:open-access-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of
>>    cn at cameronneylon.net
>>    Sent: 18 July 2012 15:50
>>    To: open-access at lists.okfn.org
>>    Subject: [Open-access] SCOAP3
>> 
>>    Not got so much press as the big announcements this week but  
>> this is a big
>>    deal. Communities can just decide unilaterally to move to OA.
>> 
>>    http://scoap3.org/news/news94.html
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>>    Peter Murray-Rust
>>    Reader in Molecular Informatics
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