[GOAL] Re: Open Access for Science in UK - request for sources

[Stevan Harnad]

Peter, the methodological details (about the sampling, the robot, etc.) are here:

Gargouri, Y., Hajjem, C., Lariviere, V., Gingras, Y., Brody, T., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2010) 
Self-Selected or Mandated, Open Access Increases Citation Impact for Higher Quality
 Research. PLOS ONE 5 (10) e13636 http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18493/ 

and here

Gargouri, Y., Hajjem, C., Lariviere, V., Gingras, Y., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2012) 
Green and Gold Open Access Percentages and Growth, by Discipline
http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.3664


Stevan

On 2012-07-16, at 9:20 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:

> Thanks very much Alma,
> This is very useful - I have some more questions, and would be grateful for answers if you can...
> 
> 
> 
> The data are from Yassine Gargouri (who has used the methodology he previously used, which consists of trawling the web for openly accessible full-texts and comparing the number of those with the papers in Web of Science, which is not a perfect, but a reasonable measure of the ‘universe’ for UK researchers).
> 
> Is this published anywhere (formally or informally) such that we can understand the details? 
> * How does he or Google know that the full-text is "openly accessible"? Is this by trying to read it or is there a Google flag for openly accessible?
> 
> Previously, Yassine has done this only on a global basis, but this time he has looked for papers with at least one UK author.
> 
> * How is this done? Does *he* analyze the author affiliations or does he get them from WoS?
>  
> * is there an open electronic list of the publications (and their funders) so that I can access them
> 
> He used Google to search for the papers.
> 
> More questions:
> * Google or GoogleScholar? [Apparently they can give very different answers]
> 
> Assuming it was GoogleScholar. 
> * How was the subject classification done?
> 
> I can see one method how the "Gold" access papers were retrieved - by mapping the Journal onto known Gold journals (sic). (I cannot see how hybrid gold were easily measured but the numbers are probably too small to worry about statistically)
> 
> I cannot see the next phase but I can conjecture. More questions:
> * did he use his/Google results to compare with WoS?
> 
> * how did he determine that the paper was Green? Almost by definition this has to be somewhere other than the publisher's site. [so the paper needs another search for the paper mounted somewhere OTHER than the publisher. 
> 
> * does he then have a system to determine whether the paper is readable (not all papers in repositories are readable, as we have seen).
> 
> If he has such as system then it would seem to answer the key question:
> * if I find a paper on a publisher's site can I find a free-as-in-beer copy somewhere else on the web?
> 
> If he can really answer that question then is his system openly available?
> 
> P.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> GOAL mailing list
> GOAL at eprints.org
> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Peter Murray-Rust
> Reader in Molecular Informatics
> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
> University of Cambridge
> CB2 1EW, UK
> +44-1223-763069
> _______________________________________________
> GOAL mailing list
> GOAL at eprints.org
> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20120716/f705fb67/attachment.html