[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

[Peter Murray-Rust]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Kiley, Robert <r.kiley at wellcome.ac.uk>wrote:

> Peter****
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> I’m not sure I fully understand your question: “Can you confirm that there
> are no green full text manuscripts in PMC?”.
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This is difficult to answer as "Green" is poorly defined (as is almost
everything in "Open Access"). It means "self-archived"

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> In my understanding the example
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253247 is a green, full-text
> manuscript.****
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 I think you are correct and I am probably wrong. But my understanding is
that this was archived in PMC as part of the NIH funding process and not
"self-archived" as part of the mandate. Indeed I believe that Elsevier may
even prepare manuscripts for "author-side" deposition in PMC. But I am
unclear of the details.

This type of archiving is probably limited to NIH, maybe Wellcome and and
few other funders. It's not suported AFAIK by universities.

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> However, if green in your definition means that it must have zero month
> embargo, then I suspect there won’t be any ACS-published, author
> manuscripts in PMC that meet this criteria.****
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> I thought “green” was used to simply indicate that the version you are
> looking at was the author’s version of the manuscript (after peer review).
> In contrast “gold” means (in my mind) the final published version (the
> version of record).  Obviously, if we pay a fee for a gold article then we
> can demand (and we do) certain things, such as it must be available at the
> time of publication and it must be licenced using CC-BY.
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I think your definition is probably correct. In which case I suspect that
there are number in PMC.

I, for one, would find it useful to have clear definitions. There is
clearly a world of difference between NIH-funded manuscripts and hidden
manuscripts in University repos. Calling them both "Green" doesn't help.

And the fact that I find this difficult should be taken as an indication of
the obscurity of the process, not my stupidity.

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My original fairytale post was intended to suggest that we challeng the
system. You in Wellcome are doing that as far as you can. Universities are
not - they give in to publishers.

But I have created enough confusion.



-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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