[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

[Kiley, Robert]

Peter

Just done a quick search on PMC. There are 1059 full text articles in this repository which were published by the ACS. These are also all OA -- in the sense they can all be freely accessed and reused for non commercial use.

And, as you are aware, from early 2013 Wellcome will be requiring that when we fund an APC that article must be published under the CC-BY licence.

Best regards

Robert Kiley
Head Digital Services,
Wellcome Library
Tel: 0207 611 8338
Email: r.kiley at wellcome.ac.uk<mailto:r.kiley at wellcome.ac.uk>

On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:11, "Peter Murray-Rust" <pm286 at cam.ac.uk<mailto:pm286 at cam.ac.uk>> wrote:



On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Stevan Harnad <harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
Sorry, part of my reply was about VCs below, not chemists! My reply about chemists should have been this:

It is not chemists that oppose self-archiving,
it's their publishers! (I've long predicted that as publishers go green, the last one out and shutting the door behind them will be the American Chemical Society!)

But don't despair, Peter, the other disciplines are leading the way, and, as you will see if you look and count, chemists (even senior ones!) are already self-archiving,

Show me the chemists and show me the numbers and percentages of papers self-archived. Without data I don't take qualitative statements seriously. Show me ten universities where 50% of the full-text of chemistry papers including ACS and RSC are publicly archived at time of publication in an official site or process. Then I will acknowledge that this has merit. Otherwise you are uttering political statements not facts.

especially when their institutions or funders have effective Green OA mandates, like U. Liege's and FNRS's, with ID/OA and the Button to moot any say that their publishers have in the matter...

What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are visible at time of publication?


See:
http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/openaccessplos.jpg
and
http://openaccess.eprints.org/uploads/GreenGold11.png

Stevan Harnad

On 2012-07-12, at 6:11 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk<mailto:pm286 at cam.ac.uk>> wrote:

There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money?

No: draw their attention to the financial benefits, as Alma Swan & John Houghton have been doing, for Green and Gold OA:
http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf


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