[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

[Peter Murray-Rust]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Stevan Harnad <harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk>wrote:

> Sorry, part of my reply was about VCs below, not chemists! My reply about
> chemists should have been this:
>
> It is not chemists that oppose self-archiving,
>
it's their publishers! (I've long predicted that as publishers go green,
the last one out and shutting the door behind them will be the American
Chemical Society!)

>
> But don't despair, Peter, the other disciplines are leading the way, and,
> as you will see if you look and count, chemists (even senior ones!) are
> already self-archiving,
>

Show me the chemists and show me the numbers and percentages of papers
self-archived. Without data I don't take qualitative statements seriously.
Show me ten universities where 50% of the full-text of chemistry papers
including ACS and RSC are publicly archived at time of publication in an
official site or process. Then I will acknowledge that this has merit.
Otherwise you are uttering political statements not facts.

especially when their institutions or funders have effective Green OA
> mandates, like U. Liege's and FNRS's, with ID/OA and the Button to moot any
> say that their publishers have in the matter...
>

What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are
visible at time of publication?


>
> See:
> http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/openaccessplos.jpg
> and
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/uploads/GreenGold11.png
>
> Stevan Harnad
>
> On 2012-07-12, at 6:11 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>
> There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will
>> self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs
>> going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money?
>>
>
> No: draw their attention to the financial benefits, as Alma Swan & John
> Houghton have been doing, for Green and Gold OA:
>
> http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf
>
>
>
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Peter Murray-Rust
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Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
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