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<p>Please note that it would be better if the Bazaar supports also
GitLab and custom git repositories. For example I have a custom
repo for Drupal composer (in this case all the plugins are
private, but this is a choice)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://repository.unesco.org/drupal/">https://repository.unesco.org/drupal/</a> and I can image to use the
same internal repo for modules for my mediabank</p>
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<p>Denis<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/03/2019 10:29, Newman D.R. via
Eprints-tech wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
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<p>I think we can break down what needs to be done into several
separate points:</p>
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</p>
<p><b>1. Remove existing crud (old plugins that no longer work
properly or plugins that were broken from the get go).</b></p>
<p>I know that there have been attempts to do this in the recent
past to tidy some old plugins up. However, this can be a
difficult process and unless it is unequivocably clear a plugin
should be removed, an individual Bazaar admin may not want to
take that unilateral action for fear of getting into an argument
with the plugin's creator. If a number of individuals (maybe on
this mailing list) want to compile lists of plugins that they
think should be removed, then maybe we can reach a consensus to
get rid of a least some of the crud.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><b>2. Prevent people uploading broken plugins, which instantly
become available for anyone can install.</b><br>
</p>
<p>As I think has already been mentioned, the Bazaar has accolades
that can only be applied by Bazaar admins. It does not seem
unreasonable to limit the default listing you will see through a
repository Available Bazaar plugins tab is limited to those
items that have accolades, (if this is technically possible).
However, having unallocaded plugins available if a developer
deliberately changes the Bazaar URL option for their repository
would still be useful. So if they want to do testing of the
install from the Bazaar, then they can.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><b>3. Make sure things from GitHub make it into the Bazaar</b><b><br>
</b></p>
<p>Rory has already made the suggestion of making use of Gitaar.
However, it sounds like even with assistance publishing a plugin
to the Bazaar is not particularly straightforward. Looking on
the wiki to see what advice I can find shows a selection of
pages under the EPrints Bazaar category [1] but I can see that
the "Getting Started" page [2] has not had anything but minor
changes for quite some time. I would be willing to contribute
to an effort to improve these pages. However, this process
would benefit most from incorporating the experiences of several
people to make sure all bases are covered.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><b>4. Make sure Bazaar plugins are regularly updated with
changes made on GitHub</b></p>
<p>I know that there are various Bazaar plugins on the eprints
GitHub [3] that are regularly updated to the Bazaar. I agree
that having corresponding GitHub releases and Bazaar plugin
versions would be useful, which is not currently the case with
these plugins. However, I think there has to be some
appreciation that producing the release of a plugin does require
some effort on the part of the maintainer, so there is a need to
be patient in waiting for "that pull request you submitted last
week" to make it into the plugin as installable from the
Bazaar. I am certainly would advocate a more structured and
transparent process for managing Bazaar plugin releases that
could then lead to that plugin release receiving some sort of
"gold standard" accolade on the Bazaar.</p>
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<p>Regards</p>
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<p>David Newman<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/03/2019 08:39, Denis Pitzalis
via Eprints-tech wrote:<br>
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<style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style>I
agree with Rory, gitaar can be a good solution, similar to how
composer does in PHP. You develop your module on GitHub, then
you publish it in a repository (the bazaar) when you have a
stable enough version.<br>
I take the occasion to re-propose a dependences field in the
epmi so that you know that certain plugins would work with
others of certain version etc etc.<br>
Bottom line is that, as it is, the bazaar is not only useless to
non devs but also it sends the wrong message to the people
trying to test eprints for the first time.<br>
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Denis<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il 27 marzo 2019 09:31:27 CET, Rory
McNicholl via Eprints-tech
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ha scritto:
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Hi all,</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I think that there has grown over time a disconnect
between the developers who are updating, releasing plugin
code on github and the bazaar. As Yuri points out this has
led to out of date versions of things persisting on the
bazaar. When someone is new to the platform and tries to
try out a plugin, a pretty poor impression is given.</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Removing the bazaar is one (drastic) solution, but what I
would propose is that it is overhauled and, most
importantly, that there is an easy route for developers to
publish from github to the bazaar.</div>
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Tim MB made <a
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while back and we still use it to create epmis so that we
can make our git-based packages installable with
tools/epm. This little app will also build epms and (in
theory) pulishe them to the bazaar, however I've tended to
come a cropper when attempting this last bit (from memory,
versioning goes a bit haywire and permissions are a pain).<span></span></div>
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However I think it is a very good start. I would suggest
that working on gitaar *and* the bazaar so they can be
used smoothly in tandem would really help with the quality
of content on the bazaar. Something that would further
enhance this integration would be tapping in to git
releases/tags to help manage the versioning in the bazaar.</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Even with this git => bazaar integration in place, the
bazaar could still do with a bit of a clean out,
deprecating unsupported packages and so on. <span
style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
display: inline !important">I would suggest that not
having public a git repo should be a barrier to
inclusion in the bazaar and further to that, there
should be agreed conventions concerning git releases
that must be met before a plugin get's in to the bazaar.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,
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display: inline !important">Cheers,</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 27 March 2019 07:40<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EP-tech] please close the Bazaar</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Excuse me but, for example,
Recollect has the epmi in github but it is<br>
not syncronized with the one in Bazaar. Orcid
plugins and Datacite on<br>
Bazaar are on unknown state, I cannot know if
they're the latest with<br>
less bug or more features.<br>
<br>
If you start a new site today, will you blindly
install them from Bazaar?<br>
<br>
I suggest to certify in some way the plugins which
are ok, which are<br>
updated or current. Or have someone who does the
check regularly and<br>
upload them on bazaar. We know developers has the
skill to use epmi, but<br>
you shouldn't need to became a developer to know if
a particular plugin<br>
works or if it is ok.<br>
<br>
If Orcid and Datacite are so important, and they
are, it shouldn't be<br>
difficult to find info about how to install and use
them and be sure<br>
you're doing the right thing.<br>
<br>
Note: most epmi came with a local repository config,
so you've also to<br>
manage updates on config or document them clearly.
Otherwise you've to<br>
be an Eprint developer with a deep knowledge of it
and not a simple<br>
integrator.<br>
<br>
Il 26/03/19 18:05, Will Fyson via Eprints-tech ha
scritto:<br>
> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> I think there is a positive case to be made for
the Bazaar - it<br>
> remains one of the easiest ways to package and
deploy content in a<br>
> modular fashion and is used quite routinely by
a number of<br>
> repositories and developers. A number of recent
developments such as<br>
> the Generic Reporting Framework, ORCID plugins,
DataCite DOI plugin<br>
> and the REF plugins (admittedly REF is only of
interest to UK<br>
> institutions) have been quite popular - and I
believe there may be<br>
> some new plugins on the way soon such as a
plugin to support Digital<br>
> Science's Dimensions badges. Working on a
Bazaar plugin is also quite<br>
> a useful focal point for developers from
different organisations and<br>
> institutions to collaborate on a particular bit
of functionality where<br>
> there is shared interest.<br>
><br>
> However I agree that there is a lot of old
stuff in the repository<br>
> that is no longer supported, out-of-date or
buggy. We introduced a<br>
> concept of accolades to try and make it clear
which plugins are<br>
> approved, supported and useful, and it should
be possible to filter<br>
> Bazaar plugins by accolades, as listed in the
"Available" tab of an<br>
> EPrints repository's admin Bazaar interface via
a dropdown menu on<br>
> EPrints 3.3.14+. We'll look into making
further changes to the<br>
> "Available" Bazaar interface however to try and
include more metadata<br>
> (such as documentation links), and to filter
out any plugins without<br>
> an accolade by default.<br>
><br>
> Many thanks,<br>
><br>
> Will<br>
><br>
>
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*Subject:* Re: [EP-tech]<br>
> please close the Bazaar<br>
><br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> On 25/03/2019 17:06, Yuri via Eprints-tech
wrote:<br>
>> Please do it.<br>
>><br>
>> It is full of old and buggy plugins. In
github you've all the plugin<br>
>> updated but Bazaar shows no update on them.
No button to check if a new<br>
>> version is available and no documentation
on how to discover it. How can<br>
>> this works?<br>
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