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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello Patrick et al,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you for creating the Roadmap page on the wiki (<a href="https://wiki.eprints.org/w/index.php/EPrints3_Roadmap">https://wiki.eprints.org/w/index.php/EPrints3_Roadmap</a>)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I personally think we could benefit from a roadmap/future directions for EPrints wiki page for 2016 and beyond.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Unless this is already maintained elsewhere that I am not aware of (is it?) I suggest we open this Roadmap on the wiki to include a list of desired features/functionality
for EPrints.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A couple of quick comments about your suggested goal of removing render functions:
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> I added the source code tags to the code you added on that page on the Wiki <source lang="perl"> … </source><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I find that the benefit in readability (syntax highlighting) is great, so I vote that we agree to try to do this as a best practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The benefit of removing the render functions as described would be impossible to understand by someone who doesn’t have a very high level of programming
expertise. It is good to include this, but it would be great if we could also try to include (and group) the more broadly understood rationale for the change on the Wiki page as well, which you describe in your email in this case as “Try and simplify EPrints
to make future development and support more straight forward”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tomasz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick McSweeney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January-09-16 9:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EP-tech] Re: Suggested changes to EPrints 3 in 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yes your understanding is correct although the function in $xhtml would not be prefixed with render_ because everything in that class has an implied render_ . Deprecating all the existing render functions will
take years because its quite a large change but I think its a good idea to move in that direction.
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How this fits in with EPrints 3.3 and 4 I have no idea. Every time i look at the git branch for EPrints 4 I do so with trepidation. It is a big fundamental change to EPrints which i dont feel time rich enough to start understanding. I had a demo of the code
in action from Seb Francios a year (or maybe two) ago but it has no user interface so their is still a lot of work to be done there.
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Hopefully Jiadi will be able to comment on this when he returns from his holidays. I think that his plans should be the bulk of what is on that roadmap page so we can all see what is coming up. My understanding from talking to Justin is that he has plans for
EPrints 3.3 but I have no idea what the position on EPrints 4 is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">For the time being I will carry on quietly committing tests and wait to see how this unfolds.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Alan.Stiles <<a href="mailto:alan.stiles@open.ac.uk" target="_blank">alan.stiles@open.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Patrick,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Don’t want you to think we’re ignoring you! Anything to simplify the structure of core
EPrints seems like a step in the right direction.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">if I understand your render_description example you’re suggesting that instead of calling
$object->render_description(), we would call something like $XHTMLobj->render_obj_description($object) and the XHTMLobj would get the description as a string from $object and then apply the necessary DOM structure to it?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">One question about the roadmap is how does it fit with the EPrints 3.4 and Eprints 4.0
plans?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hopefully I’m not alone in saying that it’s nice to see you more visibly involved in eprints
‘stuff’ again, and also that your Roadmap is probably looking at a much lower level of EPrints core than most of us community developers tend to get involved, up to now, but hopefully it can help with our understanding of how it all hangs together.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alan</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank">eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank">eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick McSweeney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 January 2016 18:03<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EP-tech] Suggested changes to EPrints 3 in 2016</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sorry for the long silence. Since the community contributions day in December I have been playing more with EPrints. I was hoping to find a roadmap for EPrints 3 development but couldn't so I am proposing one. My aims are largely to try and simplify EPrints
to make future development and support more straight forward. I would like participants of the list to take a look at the plan reply with<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">You can see the roadmap here
<a href="https://wiki.eprints.org/w/index.php/EPrints3_Roadmap" target="_blank">https://wiki.eprints.org/w/index.php/EPrints3_Roadmap</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">So far I have started by implementing new unit tests for list and XHTML. This seems like a non-contentious part of the plan to start with. No one every complains
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Please let me know what you all think<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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