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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'd be interested in that, but at what
time are we talking about (GMT)? And how does somebody apply?<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
On 25/06/2015 01:20 μμ, Adam Field wrote:<br>
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<div class="">I was planning an automatic fields training video
for this afternoon, but can do virtual fields if you'd like.</div>
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<div class="">On 25 Jun 2015, at 10:51, George Mamalakis <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mamalos@eng.auth.gr"
class="">mamalos@eng.auth.gr</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Helvetica;
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">OK...That was much,
much more than I hoped for!!! :)<br class="">
<br class="">
I like most of your last ideas, especially the last one.
The others, though, were very helpful in giving insight as
to how EPrints works with respect to plugins and the
get_value() function.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
<br class="">
So for your last suggestion: What do you think this
virtual field should be, and how does somebody define a
callback on a field's return value? OK, If this, on the
other hand, is not something easy to implement, I can
definitely go with your fore-last suggestion, using this
"eprint_fields_automatic.pl" (which I had no idea of...it
sounds very promising as well (as the syntax is somehow
self-explanatory or documented)).<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks a lot Tim!!!<br class="">
<br class="">
On 25/06/2015 11:42 πμ, Timothy Miles-Board wrote:<br
class="">
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">The "problem" is that when you
ask $eprint->get_value() for the value of a
multilang field it gives you a perl data structure -
in this case arrayref (array of {langcode=>text}
hashrefs) - ie. the same behaviour as you would expect
for a compound field or any field with a multiple
value.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">$eprint->get_value() is used everywhere -
including in export plugins. So any field where the
plugin implicitly expects a string - like title,
abstract etc - it will output something like
ARRAYx01123123</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">So your options are:</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">* Fix up all the plugins to be cleverer about
how they get the "best" value of multilang field (ie.
use get_value() then look at the user's lang / default
lang to pull out the best string from the multilang
structure) - but this would mean repeating the same
routine in every plugin..</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">* Change the way that get_value() works so
that it somehow decides which behaviour to use
(arrayref vs best lang string) based on calling
context etc. - get_value is used everywhere in EPrints
so this would probably break everything..</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">* Add a layer of abstraction between the low
level get_value() and the plugins that defines an API
for returning language dependent strings - then change
all the plugins to use that (so instead of
get_value(), plugins could call get_lang_string() or
something - something like this would be the best
approach...</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">In the meantime, what you could do is instead
of changing the default title, abstract etc fields,
just define new multilang versions.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">So eg. ml_title, ml_abstract ...</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">Then use these in your workflow instead of
the default title, abstract .. etc.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">Finally in eprint_fields_automatic.pl, write
some code to take the ml_* fields and populate the
equivalent scalar fields. So eg. get the value of
ml_title, pull out the text in the default language
(or if the default language version is not defined,
some other language in order of preference - the
EPrints::Language module already does stuff like this
with phrases) and write that value into the title
field.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">Then anything that expects
$eprint->get_value( "title" ) to return a string
will be happy (albeit they will always give the
default/preferred language).</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">Or...</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">Change the default title, abstract
etc. fields to a virtual field so that you can
dynamically work out the (string) value by looking at
ml_title, ml_abstract etc - as long as the value
returned is always a string this shouldn't break
anything.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class=""><br class="">
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
class="">Food for thought I hope,</div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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<b class="">To:</b><span
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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Re: [spam?] Re: How to set a field to be multilang</font>
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<div class="">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Alen, I'll look
into it deeper.<br class="">
<br class="">
It's sad, though, that default Import/Export
plugins break. Could you give a few hints on how
to customise these plugins? (general guidelines).
Could the changes be applied on the parent Import
and Export plugin, or most child plugins tend to
override functions dealing with title, abstract,
etc?<br class="">
<br class="">
And that being the case, isn't it equivalent to
adding extra fields for an additional language?
Either way same things are broken, right? :)<br
class="">
<br class="">
Lastly, where are these metadata fields stored in
the database? Reading the article in the link you
provided diagonally, it seems that I need to
update the database in order to create them,
right?<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks again!<br class="">
<br class="">
On 24/06/2015 11:18 μμ, Alen Vodopijevec wrote:<br
class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi!<br class="">
<br class="">
You have Metadata Field Types documented here:<br
class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="">http://wiki.eprints.org/w/Category:EPrints_Metadata_Fields</a><br
class="">
<br class="">
But, be aware that changing title, keywords and
abstract fields to<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
'compound' breaks default EPrints plugins -
export/import .. these<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
plugins expect title/keywords/abstract to be
simple and not compound<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
(hash) value.<br class="">
<br class="">
I'm using it that way but there is some extra
effort to customize and<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
maintain import/export plugins.<br class="">
<br class="">
If anybody have a suggestion or a better solution
please let me know.<br class="">
<br class="">
Maybe this is a good opportunity to discuss that
i18n issues in EPrints.<br class="">
<br class="">
Kind regards,<br class="">
--<br class="">
Alen<br class="">
<br class="">
On 06/24/2015 10:15 AM, George Mamalakis wrote:<br
class="">
> Ah,<br class="">
><br class="">
> And by the way, is there any documentation on
this "fields" attribute<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
> somewhere? Cos I think it wasn't mentioned
anywhere.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks again!<br class="">
><br class="">
> On 24/06/2015 10:29 πμ, Timothy Miles-Board
wrote:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br
class="">
>> From: Timothy Miles-Board<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:timothy.miles-board@ulcc.ac.uk"><timothy.miles-board@ulcc.ac.uk></a><br
class="">
>> Date: 18 Jun 2015 11:30 pm<br class="">
>> Subject: Re: [EP-tech] How to set a field
to be multilang<br class="">
>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br
class="">
>> Cc:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> {<br class="">
>> name => 'title',<br class="">
>> type => 'multilang',<br class="">
>> multiple => 1,<br class="">
>> fields => [ { sub_name => "text",
type => "longtext",<br class="">
>> input_rows => 3,
make_single_value_orderkey =><br class="">
>> 'EPrints::Extras::english_title_orderkey'
} ],<br class="">
>> input_add_boxes => 1,<br class="">
>> },<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Tim<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> On 23 Jun 2015 9:09 am, George Mamalakis<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:mamalos@eng.auth.gr"><mamalos@eng.auth.gr></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br
class="">
>><br class="">
>> Guys (and girls),<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Any news on multilingual fields? Anybody
using them?<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Thanks!<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> George<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> On 18/06/2015 06:31 μμ, George Mamalakis
wrote:<br class="">
>> > Hello again,<br class="">
>> ><br class="">
>> > I am trying to make my EPrints
installation support<br class="">
>> multilanguage fields<br class="">
>> > (eg. title, abstract, etc.). The
thing I did that worked (which<br class="">
>> doesn't<br class="">
>> > feel right to me, though) was adding
a new Metadata field (eg.<br class="">
>> title_en)<br class="">
>> > and add it to the database and
workflow. On the documentation,<br class="">
>> on the<br class="">
>> > other hand, I saw that there is a
Multilang field type<br class="">
>> > (./perl_lib/EPrints/MetaField/<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://multilang.pm/" class="">Multilang.pm</a>)
which should be<br class="">
>> used for<br class="">
>> > this purpose. The strange thing is
that its perldoc DESCRIPTION<br class="">
>> section<br class="">
>> > starts with "not done", probably
meaning that it's not implemented?<br class="">
>> > Disregarding the last comment, when
I changed<br class="">
>> >
./archives/myarchive/cfg/cfg.d/eprint_<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fields.pl/"
class="">fields.pl</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>title
field to<br class="">
>> read:<br class="">
>> ><br class="">
>> > {<br class="">
>> > name => 'title',<br class="">
>> > type => 'multilang',<br class="">
>> > input_rows => 3,<br class="">
>> > make_single_value_orderkey =><br
class="">
>> >
'EPrints::Extras::english_title_orderkey',<br
class="">
>> > },<br class="">
>> ><br class="">
>> > and I reloaded epadmin, I got the
following error:<br class="">
>> ><br class="">
>> > "Error in field property for
eprint.title: fields on a multilang<br class="">
>> > metafield can't be undefined"<br
class="">
>> ><br class="">
>> > So, which is the proper way for
adding multilanguage support in<br class="">
>> fields<br class="">
>> > and display them in workflows?<br
class="">
>> ><br class="">
>> > Thanks for all help in advance!<br
class="">
>> ><br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
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