<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://3714/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"Nault, Pierre" <<a href="mailto:nault.pierre@uqam.ca">nault.pierre@uqam.ca</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>[EP-tech] Re: Fwd: Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed byGoogle Scholar?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">11 March, 2013 9:50:18 AM EDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><<a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br></span></div><br><div lang="FR-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks for the reply. In eprint_render.pl I have :<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">my $links = $session->make_doc_fragment();<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> $links->appendChild( $session->plugin( "Export::Simple" )->dataobj_to_html_header( $eprint ) );<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> $links->appendChild( $session->plugin( "Export::DC" )->dataobj_to_html_header( $eprint ) );<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’m pretty sure that Export::DC is working based on the response we have from OAI-PMH protocol. For Export::Simple I’m not sure -> where should I look if plugins are disabled ? One other thing, base code of our repository have been modified substantially. Where can I verified if the name of the field of the schema have been changed ?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Pierre Nault<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:eprints-<a href="mailto:tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>De la part de</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mark Gregson<br><b>Envoyé :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>10 mars 2013 19:50<br><b>À :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br><b>Cc :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Paul THIRION; Nguyen, Minh-Quang<br><b>Objet :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EP-tech] Re: Fwd: Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed byGoogle Scholar?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Pierre<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Have a look in eprints/<archivename>/cfg/cfg.d/eprint_render.pl in the anonymous function starting:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: blue; ">$c</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">-></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">{</span><span lang="EN-AU">eprint_render<span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">}</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">=</span> <b><span style="">sub</span></b> <span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">{</span><o:p></o:p></span></pre><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If the EPrints native metadata is being rendered you should be able to find the following lines:<o:p></o:p></span></div><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: rgb(177, 177, 0); ">my</span><span lang="EN-AU"> <span style="color: blue; ">$links</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">=</span> <span style="color: blue; ">$session</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">-></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">make_doc_fragment</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">()</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">;<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: blue; ">$links</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">-></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">appendChild</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">(</span><span lang="EN-AU"> <span style="color: blue; ">$session</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">-></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">plugin</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">(</span><span style="color: red; ">'Export::Simple'</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">)</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">-></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0); ">dataobj_to_html_header</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">(</span><span style="color: blue; ">$eprint</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">)</span> <span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0); ">)</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 51); ">;<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If it’s not there you should be able to add it, reload the configuration/restart httpd and it will just work. There are caveats, e.g., if you have changed the name of fields in the schema or the plugin has been disabled.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mark<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(197, 11, 69); ">Mark Gregson</span></b><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">| Applications and Development Team Leader<br></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; ">Library eServices | Queensland University of Technology<br>Level 3 | R Block | Kelvin Grove Campus | GPO Box 2434 | Brisbane 4001<br>Phone: +61 7 3138 3782 | Web:</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(163, 163, 163); "> </span><u><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 253); "><a href="http://www.qut.edu.au/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://eprints.qut.edu.au/</a><br></span></u><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 128, 255); ">ABN: 83 791 724 622<br>CRICOS No: 00213J<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nault, Pierre<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, 9 March 2013 1:32 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Paul THIRION; Nguyen, Minh-Quang<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EP-tech] Re: Fwd: Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">We have removed the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" /> from default.xml. We confirm that we are running on Eprints version 3.1-2008-12-03-r3984. Anurag : you mention that all versions of eprints over 3.0 can generate the machine-readable bibliographic metadata. Obviously this is not the case for us. Following your assertion, something is probably missing in the configuration of our repository. I’m not too familiar with the config of eprints: I would much appreciate any help on activating this feature.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Pierre Nault</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>De la part de</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stevan Harnad<br><b>Envoyé :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>7 mars 2013 13:24<br><b>À :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List<br><b>Cc :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Paul THIRION; Nguyen, Minh-Quang<br><b>Objet :</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EP-tech] Fwd: Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Anurag Acharya <<a href="mailto:acha@google.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">acha@google.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Subject: Re: [EP-tech] Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">5 March, 2013 10:30:35 PM EST</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>, Couture Marc <<a href="mailto:marc.couture@teluq.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">marc.couture@teluq.ca</a>></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hi Marc: I took a quick look at the examples you mentioned. I noticed couple of issues:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">First things first, you are explicitly asking for these pages to not be indexed. For the two examples you mentioned:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">view-source:<a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254/</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">view-source:<a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252/</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">A noindex robots metatag on an html page asks web search services to not index the page.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Second, I don't know if this is an old version of eprints or a custom repository but looks like it doesn't include the machine-readable bibliographic metadata that eprints 3.0 and later embed using metatags. Eg: <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">view-source:<a href="http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/349474/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/349474/</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Ohka, Seii" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Sakai, Mai" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Bohnert, Stephanie" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Igarashi, Hiroko" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Deinhardt, Katrin" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Schiavo, Giampietro" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Nomoto, Akio" /><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">[...]<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If you are using an older version of eprints, I would recommend upgrading to a version later than 3.0. If you are using a different repository software, I would recommend<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://roar.eprints.org/help/google_scholar.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://roar.eprints.org/help/google_scholar.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and <a href="http://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/inclusion.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/inclusion.html</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">cheers,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">anurag<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 2013-03-05, at 5:12 AM, Tim Brody <<a href="mailto:tdb2@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">tdb2@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:23:06 -0500, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>><br>wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I have been told that closed access deposits for<br><a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>are not being indexed by Google Scholar: Is<br>there any way around this?<br><br>(I mean the metadata, of course, not the full-text, which I know is<br>unharvestable till access is re-set as OA).<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>There's no reason that the metadata pages shouldn't be indexed, but I don't<br>think (?) Google Scholar will list metadata-only records from repositories.<br><br>A specific example would be useful.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It's bad news (for the Button) if GS does not index the metadata of Closed Access deposits. (GS certainly indexes plenty of papers that do not have a free full-text version on the web).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Could this (if it's true) be fixed by optimizing the way an EPrints IR presents itself to google and GS (levels of embedding or something like that)? I seem to remember Les saying that the depth of documents was important.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">A DSpace IR, Orbi, has 50% Closed Access contents (for example, <a href="http://orbi.ulg.ac.be/browse?type=datepublished&rpp=20&value=2012" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">here</a>). <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">These are all picked up by Google, for example this one: "Tubulin isoforms identified in the brain by MALDI in-source decay"<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">but they appear very late in the Google hit list (especially for much-sited or multi-cited papers)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><i>and the Orbi version does not seem to be picked up by GS at all.</i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This is extremely important, because it affects the efficacy of the Button, and thereby the power of an immediate-deposit mandate (and the incentive to adopt one).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Is there any way to address this problem directly in EPrints (plus advice for our cousins in DSpace)?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Stevan<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b>From: </b>Couture Marc <<a href="mailto:marc.couture@teluq.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">marc.couture@teluq.ca</a>><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b>Subject: RE: [EP-tech] Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?</b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b>Date: </b>4 March, 2013 6:17:13 PM EST<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b>To: </b>Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>>, Leslie Carr <<a href="mailto:lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hi,<br><br>My belief that Google / Scholar doesn't index closed access documents (more precisely, the HTML page with the metadata) is based upon a simple check with two closed access documents in Archipel :<br><br>1.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252</a> <br><br>This is the manuscript of a published article (Title : So into it they forget what time it is?)<br><br>If I put the title (between quotes) in Google or Google Scholar, all I see is the published (toll access) version :<br><br><a href="http://www.igi-global.com/chapter/into-they-forget-time/67430" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.igi-global.com/chapter/into-they-forget-time/67430</a> <br><br>2.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254</a> <br><br>The title is: Discretionary power of project managers in knowledge intensive firms and gender issues<br><br>Again, Google Scholar finds only the published version (Google doesn't even find it):<br><br><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cjas.147/abstract" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cjas.147/abstract</a> <br><br>On the same results page, one sees another paper, available in open acces in Archipel, citing this one.<br><br>Both manuscripts have been in Archipel for more than one year (deposit date: Nov 2011).<br><br><br>Marc Couture<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div>*** Options:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/eprints-tech" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/eprints-tech</a><br>*** Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.eprints.org/tech.php/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.eprints.org/tech.php/</a><br>*** EPrints community wiki:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://wiki.eprints.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://wiki.eprints.org/</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>