<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>On 2013-03-05, at 5:12 AM, Tim Brody <<a href="mailto:tdb2@ecs.soton.ac.uk">tdb2@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:23:06 -0500, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>><br>wrote:<blockquote type="cite">I have been told that closed access deposits for<br><a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca</a> are not being indexed by Google Scholar: Is<br>there any way around this?<br><br>(I mean the metadata, of course, not the full-text, which I know is<br>unharvestable till access is re-set as OA).<br></blockquote><br>There's no reason that the metadata pages shouldn't be indexed, but I don't<br>think (?) Google Scholar will list metadata-only records from repositories.<br><br>A specific example would be useful.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's bad news (for the Button) if GS does not index the metadata of Closed Access deposits. (GS certainly indexes plenty of papers that do not have a free full-text version on the web).</div><div><br></div><div>Could this (if it's true) be fixed by optimizing the way an EPrints IR presents itself to google and GS (levels of embedding or something like that)? I seem to remember Les saying that the depth of documents was important.</div><div><br></div><div>A DSpace IR, Orbi, has 50% Closed Access contents (for example, <a href="http://orbi.ulg.ac.be/browse?type=datepublished&rpp=20&value=2012">here</a>). </div><div>These are all picked up by Google, for example this one: "Tubulin isoforms identified in the brain by MALDI in-source decay"</div><div>but they appear very late in the Google hit list (especially for much-sited or multi-cited papers)</div><div><i>and the Orbi version does not seem to be picked up by GS at all.</i></div><div><br></div><div>This is extremely important, because it affects the efficacy of the Button, and thereby the power of an immediate-deposit mandate (and the incentive to adopt one).</div><div><br></div><div>Is there any way to address this problem directly in EPrints (plus advice for our cousins in DSpace)?</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px; "><b>From: </b>Couture Marc <<a href="mailto:marc.couture@teluq.ca">marc.couture@teluq.ca</a>><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><b>Subject: </b><b>RE: [EP-tech] Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?</b><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><b>Date: </b>4 March, 2013 6:17:13 PM EST<br></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><b>To: </b>Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>>, Leslie Carr <<a href="mailto:lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk">lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>><br></div><br><div>Hi,<br><br>My belief that Google / Scholar doesn't index closed access documents (more precisely, the HTML page with the metadata) is based upon a simple check with two closed access documents in Archipel :<br><br>1. <a href="http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252">http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252</a> <br><br>This is the manuscript of a published article (Title : So into it they forget what time it is?)<br><br>If I put the title (between quotes) in Google or Google Scholar, all I see is the published (toll access) version :<br><br><a href="http://www.igi-global.com/chapter/into-they-forget-time/67430">http://www.igi-global.com/chapter/into-they-forget-time/67430</a> <br><br>2. http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254 <br><br>The title is: Discretionary power of project managers in knowledge intensive firms and gender issues<br><br>Again, Google Scholar finds only the published version (Google doesn't even find it):<br><br>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cjas.147/abstract <br><br>On the same results page, one sees another paper, available in open acces in Archipel, citing this one.<br><br>Both manuscripts have been in Archipel for more than one year (deposit date: Nov 2011).<br><br><br>Marc Couture<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>