[EP-tech] Fwd: Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?

[Stevan Harnad]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Anurag Acharya <acha at google.com>
> Subject: Re: [EP-tech] Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?
> Date: 5 March, 2013 10:30:35 PM EST
> To: Stevan Harnad <harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Cc: eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk, Couture Marc <marc.couture at teluq.ca>
> 
> Hi Marc: I took a quick look at the examples you mentioned. I noticed couple of issues:
> 
> First things first, you are explicitly asking for these pages to not be indexed. For the two examples you mentioned:
> view-source:http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254/
> <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" />
> 
> view-source:http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252/
> <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" />
> 
> A noindex robots metatag on an html page asks web search services to not index the page.
> 
> Second, I don't know if this is an old version of eprints or a custom repository but looks like it doesn't include the machine-readable bibliographic metadata that eprints 3.0 and later embed using metatags. Eg: 
> view-source:http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/349474/
> 
>  <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Ohka, Seii" />
> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Sakai, Mai" />
> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Bohnert, Stephanie" />
> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Igarashi, Hiroko" />
> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Deinhardt, Katrin" />
> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Schiavo, Giampietro" />
> <meta name="eprints.creators_name" content="Nomoto, Akio" />
> [...]
> 
> If you are using an older version of eprints, I would recommend upgrading to a version later than 3.0. If you are using a different repository software, I would recommend http://roar.eprints.org/help/google_scholar.html and http://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/inclusion.html
> 
> cheers,
> anurag
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Stevan Harnad <harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 2013-03-05, at 5:12 AM, Tim Brody <tdb2 at ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:23:06 -0500, Stevan Harnad <harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been told that closed access deposits for
>>> http://www.archipel.uqam.ca are not being indexed by Google Scholar: Is
>>> there any way around this?
>>> 
>>> (I mean the metadata, of course, not the full-text, which I know is
>>> unharvestable till access is re-set as OA).
>> 
>> There's no reason that the metadata pages shouldn't be indexed, but I don't
>> think (?) Google Scholar will list metadata-only records from repositories.
>> 
>> A specific example would be useful.
> 
> It's bad news (for the Button) if GS does not index the metadata of Closed Access deposits. (GS certainly indexes plenty of papers that do not have a free full-text version on the web).
> 
> Could this (if it's true) be fixed by optimizing the way an EPrints IR presents itself to google and GS (levels of embedding or something like that)? I seem to remember Les saying that the depth of documents was important.
> 
> A DSpace IR, Orbi, has 50% Closed Access contents (for example, here). 
> These are all picked up by Google, for example this one: "Tubulin isoforms identified in the brain by MALDI in-source decay"
> but they appear very late in the Google hit list (especially for much-sited or multi-cited papers)
> and the Orbi version does not seem to be picked up by GS at all.
> 
> This is extremely important, because it affects the efficacy of the Button, and thereby the power of an immediate-deposit mandate (and the incentive to adopt one).
> 
> Is there any way to address this problem directly in EPrints (plus advice for our cousins in DSpace)?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Stevan
> 
>> 
> 
>> From: Couture Marc <marc.couture at teluq.ca>
>> Subject: RE: [EP-tech] Are Closed Access Deposits Indexed by Google Scholar?
>> Date: 4 March, 2013 6:17:13 PM EST
>> To: Stevan Harnad <harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Leslie Carr <lac at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My belief that Google / Scholar doesn't index closed access documents (more precisely, the HTML page with the metadata) is based upon a simple check with two closed access documents in Archipel :
>> 
>> 1. http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4252 
>> 
>> This is the manuscript of a published article (Title : So into it they forget what time it is?)
>> 
>> If I put the title (between quotes) in Google or Google Scholar, all I see is the published (toll access) version :
>> 
>> http://www.igi-global.com/chapter/into-they-forget-time/67430 
>> 
>> 2. http://www.archipel.uqam.ca/4254 
>> 
>> The title is: Discretionary power of project managers in knowledge intensive firms and gender issues
>> 
>> Again, Google Scholar finds only the published version (Google doesn't even find it):
>> 
>> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cjas.147/abstract 
>> 
>> On the same results page, one sees another paper, available in open acces in Archipel, citing this one.
>> 
>> Both manuscripts have been in Archipel for more than one year (deposit date: Nov 2011).
>> 
>> 
>> Marc Couture
>> 
> 
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/eprints-tech/attachments/20130307/512e2cd4/attachment.html