[Buildingdata] Re: (Open) (Geo) Linked data for Leeds
Christopher Gutteridge
cjg at ecs.soton.ac.uk
Sun Jul 31 10:42:50 BST 2011
There's some interesting possibilities in B2B (business to business)
resource and service sharing at a very casual level. ie. If your
business has a forklift truck that it only uses 2 days a week, and would
be up for renting out to other nearby businesses, or even to other parts
of the same organisaiton. The main focus I have on this right now is the
cool expensive hi-tec university equipment which is often significantly
under-utilised. Possibly using CPV codes as a good vocabulary...
http://simap.europa.eu/codes-and-nomenclatures/codes-cpv/codes-cpv_en.htm
Andy Turner wrote:
> Hi buildingdata, (cc Peter, Ant, opendata),
>
> I just thought I'd share progress in developing Linked Data at Leeds with you.
>
> I've attended some meetings and developed various documentation this
> week that may be useful to others.
>
> One meeting was a seminar about sustainable cities led by Tom Riordan
> (Chief Executive from the local council) which was mainly attended by
> people from organisations in the region. I gave a very brief heads up
> about the Linked Data development I am trying to get going and
> encouraged people to join the opendatagroup list that was set up by my
> Web Team colleague Jeremey and which is linked from our
> http://data.leeds.ac.uk placeholder page for Linked Data. My notes
> from that meeting are available as a Google docs document via the
> following URL:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iB1tuKJnQxhhEPVLVw4v93AOP0PAzDWNkxGsbe6CFys/edit?hl=en_US
>
> I met with Peter Jimack (the University of Leeds Dean of Engineering)
> and presented to him a Case for Support document draft
> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QdQXRJUQqW2Ug7ewihYAv1lj4W3JbrT2dMrp9AANYq4/edit?hl=en_US).
> I prepared some slides
> (https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0Adv3K0q9iX7kZDRwMndqcV8xNWZ4amhkOWR3&hl=en_US&pli=1)
> which link to other infomation about developing Linked Data for Leeds
> - including a Business Case document
> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iUMWsoPeP3DnYvj0tQILB7DzqHiduEE8JD6vwsS_Hj4/edit?hl=en_US)
> which is more detailed than the Case for Support document and which is
> aimed more broadly to gather support for the development of Linked
> Open Data (LOD) for the University of Leeds (something easily reworded
> for other universities).
>
> The next steps I am taking are to arrange meetings with the Library
> team and the Information Systems and Services team. Following this, I
> plan to arrange something of a joint meeting and try to get two
> Pro-Vice-Chancellors on side (our new PVC for research - David Hogg,
> and the PVC for teaching and learning - Viv Jones).
>
> There are a few steps to go before I approach our Estates Services
> department and deal with physical building infrastructure data, but
> thanks to you, I don't think we're too far behind at Leeds and I'm
> confident about getting support from the top. With that I hope to get
> on to the really geographical work and data munging at the bleeding
> edge.
>
> Bye for now,
>
> Andy
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Andy Turner <a.g.d.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chris, You are an inspiration! Yes I scrolled through
>> grinder.pl and plan to have a go as and when and let you know. As a
>> Java developer I always think about bending that, but I am not about
>> to just reimplement for the sake of it. I think it is more key for me
>> to get back to grips with developing RDF/XML and do so in a pragmatic
>> way for an example organisation that also has some open data, my test
>> case is the Centre for Computational Geography to which I attribute
>> most things I have done. One of the big issues is to get the metadata
>> right, and ideally AFAICT there would be a lot of it. I will favour an
>> incremental approach to this as with most things. So, before I focus
>> more on the code and data I will focus more on outreach. this is while
>> we get support from the top at Leeds which is key to the inreach
>> (although there could be a bit of chicken and egg with this).
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Christopher Gutteridge
>> <cjg at ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations!
>>>
>>> Have you had a look at grinder? It's a handy solution for smaller datasets
>>> you need to frequently rebuild from spreadsheets.
>>>
>>> On 30/06/11 11:05, Andy Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just to follow up, the meeting last week with the University of Leeds
>>>> Web Team went well and there is now a placeholder at
>>>> http://data.leeds.ac.uk and a redirect from http://id.leeds.ac.uk.
>>>> Jeremy Harmer the University of Leeds Webmaster set these up along
>>>> with two emails one just for the development team and the other which
>>>> is more open. I have copied this email to the more open list which all
>>>> the developers are also subscribed too.
>>>>
>>>> This is all being done on the back burner right now, but we are trying
>>>> to get support from top level managers by developing a document that
>>>> provides a clear business case and trying to arrange a meeting to
>>>> present this and get top level support.
>>>>
>>>> LOD is such a nebular thing! The next meeting I have is with a
>>>> representatives developing Leeds City Council LOD
>>>> (http://opendata.leeds.gov.uk/). There is a lot of common ground and
>>>> hopefully we can march in step to support each other.
>>>>
>>>> Your help and advice is much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking forward to getting my hands dirty with the coding and
>>>> generation of the RDF/XML...
>>>>
>>>> Bye for now,
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Andy Turner<a.g.d.turner at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've sent the briefing document (as per the attached PDF) which I
>>>>> prepared for the meeting I have on Thursday with Jeremy and the Web
>>>>> Team plus a few others here at Leeds. Thanks for showing us the way.
>>>>> Hopefully we can work together on this soon and I can do something
>>>>> leading edge on the geo side of things.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sorry if such an attachment causes anyone issues, but I thought it
>>>>> was best done this way.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Andy Turner<a.g.d.turner at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I'd share progress on the breifing document at an early
>>>>>> stage for those interested in seeing how it shapes up. A first very
>>>>>> rough and incomplete draft focussing on people and organisations is
>>>>>> (hopefully) available for viewing via the following link:
>>>>>> UniLeodis -
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EgzYQKK1iq5SMS1Hn1hOfVO7yvJrGYESpxZCBPIOmwc/edit?hl=en_US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the geodata that Chris mentioned is of interest - I would describe
>>>>>> it as data representing relatively slow changing things (i.e. things I
>>>>>> would expect to change little day to day). A map of the current layout
>>>>>> is most important, but it is also useful to keep a track of how the
>>>>>> campus has changed and perhaps provide views of it from the past...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to have detailed 2D and 3D OpenStreetMap like data for the
>>>>>> Leeds main campus (which has some interesting high level walkways
>>>>>> connecting buildings at various levels). I am keen (as part of another
>>>>>> project) to get students to do the mapping as they explore campus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am aware of reasonably good web based room data for rooms that are
>>>>>> bookable and I know that the Estates department have data about
>>>>>> buidlings which could be good to integrate. Anyway, I think it's too
>>>>>> big a job to plan the details of now. It is perhaps best to get an
>>>>>> idea of what are liekly to be the easieist and most rewarding things
>>>>>> to do first. My thinking is that it would be best to start with data
>>>>>> about people, organisations and courses. A geospatial map of
>>>>>> buildings, rooms, facilities, points of sale, and car parking
>>>>>> (enabling spatial search and routing applications) that links to
>>>>>> further information would also be grand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I expect that having a convincing use case and external funding would
>>>>>> help with us getting support for this from the top, but it may be
>>>>>> enough of a driver that others are getting stuck in and investing in
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Christopher Gutteridge
>>>>>> <cjg at ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (I suggested Andy ask this list as the best way to find people who
>>>>>>> actually know/care about this subject).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone give him any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll get it started by saying we have three main kinds of geographic
>>>>>>> data;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Physical locations; sites, buildings, rooms
>>>>>>> * Points-of-Service, (usually located in a building or room) which may
>>>>>>> offer services or produces, and may have opening hours.
>>>>>>> * Location features (or in some cases an explicitly stated lack of a
>>>>>>> feature); to describe properties of rooms and buildings, such as type
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> seating, availability of a recycling bit, the fact a building is
>>>>>>> residential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We could also add "points of interest" like sculptures, but right now
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> lump these into points-of-service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/06/11 11:02, Andy Turner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've copied in Jeremy Harmer to this post who is convening a meeting
>>>>>>>> next week with his web team (and me) so we can take this forward and
>>>>>>>> build on your good work and collaborate with you (and aim to help
>>>>>>>> others in the process).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am preparing a brief document to introduce linked data, open data,
>>>>>>>> and geo data and provide a vision of what we get when we put it all
>>>>>>>> together. I will consider how the University of Leeds currently
>>>>>>>> organises its data, particularly its web content, and how we can move
>>>>>>>> to a standard model. I will have to caveat that I do not know
>>>>>>>> everything about how our university (Leeds) organises its data.
>>>>>>>> Recently, I have been asking if Leeds has something akin to a data
>>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are exciting times! So this is a bit of a heads up and call for
>>>>>>>> support. Hopefully we will get support from the top at Leeds and
>>>>>>>> quickly get up to speed. I know there is a lot to do as I have been
>>>>>>>> following efforts elsewhere, but there is a lot of good groundwork at
>>>>>>>> Leeds to build on (please excuse the pun).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a clear vision in my own mind about where we as individuals and
>>>>>>>> organisations should be heading with our data. For Leeds, I have a
>>>>>>>> good idea about the steps we should be taking. Big vision, small steps
>>>>>>>> and time to get my own house in order per se.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your help and support. If you would like to
>>>>>>>> provide me with advice at this stage please do either privately or via
>>>>>>>> the list. I tend to blog about what I'm doing and what I'm reading,
>>>>>>>> but I try my best to be considerate, so please have confidence in me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will share a draft of the document as soon as I get some meat on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andy Turner
>>>>>>>> http://www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/people/a.turner
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> / Web Projects Manager, ECS, University of Southampton,
>>>>>>> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/
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