<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Marin,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You are right. I have been living too long in the desert.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, of course I agree that a law requiring all scientific articles and their data to be </div><div class="">made openly accessible would be action and would be positive.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My apologies if my grumpy posting implied otherwise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I thank you and the far more attentive and patient Hélène Bosc for pointing this out to me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Stevan Harnad</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 27, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Marin Dacos <<a href="mailto:marin.dacos@openedition.org" class="">marin.dacos@openedition.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Let’s hope it leads to concrete implementation sooner than the “<a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march05/harnad/03harnad.html" target="_blank" class="">Berlin Declaration</a>”<br class=""></div><div class="">of 2003 (still not implemented in 2016).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But let’s also remember that it is not declarations or <a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0934.html" target="_blank" class="">petitions</a> or even attention </div><div class="">that OA has lacked since at least <a href="http://poynder.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-subversive-proposal-at-20.html" target="_blank" class="">1994</a>: </div><div class="">It’s action.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">This petition is action. French Senate will soon discuss the "Digital Law", which includes two articles :</div></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class="">- 17th article is allowing researchers to deposit their articles in open archives, even if signed contrats with publishers </font>explicitly<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""> forbids that : the French Law will give a new right to authors ;</font></div></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">- 18thbis article is allowing text and data mining for researchers.</div></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">If the Senate votes this law, it will be far more easy to convince universities and researchers to deposit their articles in open archives. As you know, many people think they are not allowed to do things.<br class="">Best regards,<br class="">Marin Dacos</div></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><div class="">The 22+ years needlessly lost so far are irretrievable. The question (for <a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html" target="_blank" class="">future historians</a>) </div><div class="">will be how many more were lost, since 2016, until the optimal, inevitable and obvious </div><div class="">outcome — fully within reach for decades — was at last grasped?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">After all, OA is not (and never has been) rocket science. It’s just <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/179-Raincoat-Science.html" target="_blank" class="">raincoat science</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But I’m just repeating myself...</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SH</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">----- Original Message -----<span class=""> </span></font></div><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" type="cite" class=""><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;background-color:rgb(228,228,228)" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class=""> </span><a title="amsciforum@gmail.com" href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">Stevan Harnad</a></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span><a title="goal@eprints.org" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank" class="">Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)</a></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:25 PM</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>Re: [GOAL]FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SH</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge<span class=""> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Serge.BAUIN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank" class="">Serge.BAUIN@cnrs.fr</a>></span><span class=""> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px" class=""><div class="">Dear all,</div><div class="">(sorry for cross posting)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily explained.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two articles concerning scientific publications.</div><div class="">One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one about TDM rights (very similar to the English law).</div><div class="">The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).</div><div class="">Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.</div><div class="">An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « <a href="http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2016/03/07/pour-une-science-ouverte-a-tous_4878011_1650684.html?xtmc=pour_une_science_ouverte_a_tous&xtcr=4" target="_blank" class="">Le Monde</a> » early this month.</div><div class="">The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and Research.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can sign it and have it signed if you will.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All the best</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Serge</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span class=""><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;text-align:left;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223)" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">De :<span class=""> </span></span>Emilien RUIZ <<a href="mailto:emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr" target="_blank" class="">emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Répondre à :<span class=""> </span></span>Emilien RUIZ <<a href="mailto:emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr" target="_blank" class="">emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date :<span class=""> </span></span>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">À :<span class=""> </span></span>"<a href="mailto:dh@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">dh@groupes.renater.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:dh@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">dh@groupes.renater.fr</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Objet :<span class=""> </span></span>[accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous<br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin:0px;background-color:white" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">Bonjour à toutes et tous,<br class=""><br class="">Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs de la tribune parue dans<span class=""> </span><em class="">Le Monde<span class=""> </span></em>le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer en pétition sur<span class=""> </span><a href="http://change.org/" target="_blank" class="">Change.org</a>, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs de terrain". Notre objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de signatures avant le vote de la loi.<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous" target="_blank" class="">https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous</a> <br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px;background-color:white" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px;background-color:white" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et à le diffuser.<br class=""><br class="">Bien cordialement,</span></div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""></font></span></div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><div class="">--<span class=""> </span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span name="x" class=""></span><div class=""><strong class="">Émilien Ruiz</strong><br class="">Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine<br class="">Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)<br class=""><a href="http://e-ruiz.com/" target="_blank" class="">Site web</a><span class=""> </span>|<span class=""> </span><a href="http://irhis.recherche.univ-lille3.fr/0EC-Ruiz.html" target="_blank" class="">Page professionnelle</a><br class=""></div><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""></div></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><br class="">
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