<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Let’s hope it leads to concrete implementation sooner than the “<a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march05/harnad/03harnad.html" target="_blank">Berlin Declaration</a>”<br></div><div>of 2003 (still not implemented in 2016).</div><div><br></div><div>But let’s also remember that it is not declarations or <a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0934.html" target="_blank">petitions</a> or even attention </div><div>that OA has lacked since at least <a href="http://poynder.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-subversive-proposal-at-20.html" target="_blank">1994</a>: </div><div>It’s action.</div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">This petition is action. French Senate will soon discuss the "Digital Law", which includes two articles :</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- 17th article is allowing researchers to deposit their articles in open archives, even if signed contrats with publishers </font>explicitly<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> forbids that : the French Law will give a new right to authors ;</font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">- 18thbis article is allowing text and data mining for researchers.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">If the Senate votes this law, it will be far more easy to convince universities and researchers to deposit their articles in open archives. As you know, many people think they are not allowed to do things.<br>Best regards,<br>Marin Dacos</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>The 22+ years needlessly lost so far are irretrievable. The question (for <a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html" target="_blank">future historians</a>) </div><div>will be how many more were lost, since 2016, until the optimal, inevitable and obvious </div><div>outcome — fully within reach for decades — was at last grasped?</div><div><br></div><div>After all, OA is not (and never has been) rocket science. It’s just <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/179-Raincoat-Science.html" target="_blank">raincoat science</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>But I’m just repeating myself...</div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>SH</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="Times New Roman">----- Original Message -----<span> </span></font></div><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" type="cite"><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;background-color:rgb(228,228,228)"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a title="amsciforum@gmail.com" href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" target="_blank">Stevan Harnad</a></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>To:</b><span> </span><a title="goal@eprints.org" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank">Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)</a></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:25 PM</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [GOAL]FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.<div><br></div><div>SH</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Serge.BAUIN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank">Serge.BAUIN@cnrs.fr</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px"><div>Dear all,</div><div>(sorry for cross posting)</div><div><br></div><div>For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily explained.</div><div><br></div><div>As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two articles concerning scientific publications.</div><div>One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one about TDM rights (very similar to the English law).</div><div>The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).</div><div>Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.</div><div>An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « <a href="http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2016/03/07/pour-une-science-ouverte-a-tous_4878011_1650684.html?xtmc=pour_une_science_ouverte_a_tous&xtcr=4" target="_blank">Le Monde</a> » early this month.</div><div>The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and Research.</div><div><br></div><div>You can sign it and have it signed if you will.</div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>Serge</div><div><br></div><span><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;text-align:left;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223)"><span style="font-weight:bold">De :<span> </span></span>Emilien RUIZ <<a href="mailto:emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr" target="_blank">emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Répondre à :<span> </span></span>Emilien RUIZ <<a href="mailto:emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr" target="_blank">emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date :<span> </span></span>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100<br><span style="font-weight:bold">À :<span> </span></span>"<a href="mailto:dh@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank">dh@groupes.renater.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:dh@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank">dh@groupes.renater.fr</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank">accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank">accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :<span> </span></span>[accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous<br></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div style="margin:0px;background-color:white"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Bonjour à toutes et tous,<br><br>Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs de la tribune parue dans<span> </span><em>Le Monde<span> </span></em>le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer en pétition sur<span> </span><a href="http://change.org/" target="_blank">Change.org</a>, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs de terrain". Notre objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de signatures avant le vote de la loi.<br><br><a href="https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous" target="_blank">https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous</a> <br></span></div><div style="margin:0px;background-color:white"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px;background-color:white"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et à le diffuser.<br><br>Bien cordialement,</span></div><span><font color="#888888"></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div>--<span> </span><br></div><div><span name="x"></span><div><strong>Émilien Ruiz</strong><br>Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine<br>Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)<br><a href="http://e-ruiz.com/" target="_blank">Site web</a><span> </span>|<span> </span><a href="http://irhis.recherche.univ-lille3.fr/0EC-Ruiz.html" target="_blank">Page professionnelle</a><br></div><span name="x"></span><br></div></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br><br>
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