<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Hélène.Bosc <<a href="mailto:hbosc-tchersky@orange.fr" class="">hbosc-tchersky@orange.fr</a>> wrote:<div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Stevan,</span><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font face="Calibri" class="">Problably it's too verbose and could have been more clearly written! But we</font><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""> are lucky in France</font></font></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">to have such a level of understanding of Open Access! This column published in le Monde i<font face="Calibri" class="">s a</font></font></font></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><font face="Calibri" class=""> way<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">to educate policy makers (and others) !</font></font></font></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Perhaps it's not a perfect document but it exists! And<font face="Calibri" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font>it's more complete and true</div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">(talking about OA) that this one :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a href="http://openaccess.mpg.de/2121558/MPDL_Open_Access_White_Paper" class="">http://openaccess.mpg.de/2121558/MPDL_Open_Access_White_Paper</a>!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Hélène Bosc</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Hélène,</div><div><br class=""></div><div>You are absolutely (as well as relatively) right!</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Let’s hope it leads to concrete implementation sooner than the “<a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march05/harnad/03harnad.html" class="">Berlin Declaration</a>”</div><div>of 2003 (still not implemented in 2016).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>But let’s also remember that it is not declarations or <a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0934.html" class="">petitions</a> or even attention </div><div>that OA has lacked since at least <a href="http://poynder.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-subversive-proposal-at-20.html" class="">1994</a>: </div><div>It’s action.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The 22+ years needlessly lost so far are irretrievable. The question (for <a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html" class="">future historians</a>) </div><div>will be how many more were lost, since 2016, until the optimal, inevitable and obvious </div><div>outcome — fully within reach for decades — was at last grasped?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>After all, OA is not (and never has been) rocket science. It’s just <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/179-Raincoat-Science.html" class="">raincoat science</a>.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>But I’m just repeating myself...</div><div><br class=""></div><div>SH</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">----- Original Message -----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><blockquote style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="amsciforum@gmail.com" href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com" class="">Stevan Harnad</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="goal@eprints.org" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" class="">Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:25 PM</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GOAL]FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SH</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Serge.BAUIN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank" class="">Serge.BAUIN@cnrs.fr</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" type="cite"><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; word-wrap: break-word; font-size: 14px;" class=""><div class="">Dear all,</div><div class="">(sorry for cross posting)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily explained.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two articles concerning scientific publications.</div><div class="">One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one about TDM rights (very similar to the English law).</div><div class="">The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).</div><div class="">Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.</div><div class="">An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « <a href="http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2016/03/07/pour-une-science-ouverte-a-tous_4878011_1650684.html?xtmc=pour_une_science_ouverte_a_tous&xtcr=4" target="_blank" class="">Le Monde</a> » early this month.</div><div class="">The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and Research.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can sign it and have it signed if you will.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All the best</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Serge</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span class=""><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; text-align: left; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">De :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Emilien RUIZ <<a href="mailto:emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr" target="_blank" class="">emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Répondre à :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Emilien RUIZ <<a href="mailto:emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr" target="_blank" class="">emilien.ruiz@univ-lille3.fr</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Date :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100<br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">À :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"<a href="mailto:dh@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">dh@groupes.renater.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:dh@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">dh@groupes.renater.fr</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr" target="_blank" class="">accesouvert@groupes.renater.fr</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Objet :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>[accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Bonjour à toutes et tous,<br class=""><br class="">Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs de la tribune parue dans<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><em class="">Le Monde<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em>le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer en pétition sur<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://change.org/" class="">Change.org</a>, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs de terrain". Notre objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de signatures avant le vote de la loi.<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous" target="_blank" class="">https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous</a> <br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et à le diffuser.<br class=""><br class="">Bien cordialement,</span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span name="x" class=""></span><div class=""><strong class="">Émilien Ruiz</strong><br class="">Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine<br class="">Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)<br class=""><a href="http://e-ruiz.com/" target="_blank" class="">Site web</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>|<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://irhis.recherche.univ-lille3.fr/0EC-Ruiz.html" target="_blank" class="">Page professionnelle</a><br class=""></div><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""></div></font></span></div></div></div></span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>