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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hiya,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please note that I am not proposing that one specific license be adopted. Different open access initiatives have different needs; the evidence for this is that Creative Commons developed a suite of licenses, and that a significant number of them (arguably a majority) have opted for a NC license. See <a href="http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/explore/open-access-survey-june2014.pdf">http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/explore/open-access-survey-june2014.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is the original proposition that needs evidence to support it. The assertion that CC-BY-NC-SA does not count as full open access is contentious. The assertion does not represent existing practice nor a majority view. The assertion is a proposal for narrowing the scope of what counts as open access. There is, in my view, no good reason to support this assertion. It should be rejected.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- Stephen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jan Velterop<br><b>Sent:</b> June-22-15 9:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b> <boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk><br><b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: [GOAL] Re: Re: a chronology about open access<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>"This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is limiting the adoption of open access."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Really? Any evidence? I'd welcome it if your definition of open access found universal acceptance. Would be a great step forward. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jan Velterop<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:34, Stephen Downes <<a href="mailto:stephen@downes.ca">stephen@downes.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>> </span>as I would define it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And I would define it as *more* free than licenses thatg allow people to charge money for access to the document.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is limiting the adoption of open access.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- Stephen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk">boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk">mailto:boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jan Velterop<br><b>Sent:</b> June-22-15 7:48 AM<span style='color:#1F497D'>You are the one with a very specific definition of open access to propose</span><br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk">boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: [GOAL] a chronology about open access</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nice chronology of open access. Unfortunately CC-BY-NC-SA, so itself not full open access as I would define it (though better than pay-walled, obviously). <br><br>Jan Velterop<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, marie lebert <<a href="mailto:marie.lebert@gmail.com">marie.lebert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/">https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards from France,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Marie<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>