<div dir="ltr">On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:48 AM, David Wojick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><i>The idea that the authors identify the funding subprogram is clear. The problem is how to do that in a universally uniform way so the data can be properly aggregated across all authors and articles?</i></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>By using the institutional repository metadata tagging scheme that <a href="https://guidelines.openaire.eu/wiki/Literature_Guidelines:_Metadata_Field_Project_Identifier">Openaire</a> has already designed for the EU, as <a href="https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1405&L=jisc-repositories&F=&S=&X=15D3D0DAA84A5E05AB&Y=harnad%40ecs.soton.ac.uk&P=28030">Kathleen Shearer</a> just noted in her posting. </div>
<div><br></div><div>This can be implemented with the help of <a href="http://www.eurocris.org/Index.php?page=Video_Keith&t=1">CRISes</a> and <a href="http://www.eurocris.org/Index.php?page=CERIFreleases&t=1">CERIF</a> in conformity with <a href="http://casrai.org">CASRAI</a> -- and it would be an excellent idea if the US and EU collaborated convergently on this, "harmonizing" their policies rather than diverging and going their own ways, since Public/Open Access is a global goal.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But note that the specific goal of US Public Access Policy is that <i>each fundee should make each article resulting from US Federal funding Open Access within the designated time frame, crediting the funder. </i></div>
<div><br></div><div>That is accomplished by each fundee making each article resulting from US Federal funding OA within the designated time frame -- by (1) depositing each article in their institutional repository along with (2) metadata tags specifying the funding source and (3) by making the deposit OA within the allowable embargo period.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The part about "do[ing] that in a universally uniform way so the data can be properly aggregated across all authors and articles" is a secondary desideratum on the agenda (and can be accomplished with the help of the Openaire scheme). </div>
<div><br></div><div>But let's not let the tail wag the dog...</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><i> (Plus there are cases where the authors may not know.) </i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fundees (and their institutions) not knowing who is funding them? not knowing to whom they made the grant application? not knowing who informed them they were funded? not knowing the provenance of the cheques? not knowing whom to send the progress reports and final reports to?</div>
<div><br></div><div>If there are any such foggy cases, they are probably rare enough not to have a significant effect on the overall implementation plan.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>That is what the FundRef funder taxonomy is trying to do but it is not simple. By the way, at the just happened SSP annual meeting it was announced that CHORUS and SHARE will collaborate on a funder notification system. This may help.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Data can and should of course be SHAREd. Publishers too can of course harvest metadata from IRs. </div><div><br></div><div>But on no account should publishers be entrusted to run the show, in the implementation of the US Public Access Policy. The source of the funding-source data is the funders (top-down) and the fundees and their institutions (bottom-up). </div>
<div><br></div><div>And these are perfectly capable of doing and storing their own record-keeping! Publishers (and CHORUS) having nothing whatsoever to do with it.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><i>Reconfiguring the agency contract data systems to include subprogram data is probably not feasible. It would be a big job and the agencies are not that interested in access. Their challenge is spending the money. Most consider public access a chore, especially since there is no funding for it, perhaps even a threat because it will lead to new kinds of performance assessment.</i></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fine. The agencies are not intrinsically interested in access. They just have to fulfill their mandate (just as fundees do), which has now become not just to fund research but also to make it a condition of the funding that the resulting articles must be made OA.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So each funder now stipulates to each fundee that one of the conditions for receiving the funding is now that it must be deposited in the fundee's institutional repository (and made OA within the allowed embargo window).</div>
<div><br></div><div>It then becomes the reponsibility of the fundee to comply, and the responsibility of the fundee's institution to ensure that the fundee complies -- by depositing the article and its funder-idenifying metadata in the IR and making it OA within the allowable window. All IR deposits are time-stamped by the IR software; so is the date the deposit is made OA.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So the optimal system is for the fundee to deposit the final refereed draft of each article, together with its funder metadata, <i>on the date it is accepted for publication</i> (the acceptance letter can be deposited alongside it too, in closed access) and to make the deposit OA either immediately (for the 60% of publishers that do not embargo OA) or when the allowable publisher embargo has elapsed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That in essence is all there is to it: The agency fulfills its obligations, the fundee institution fulfills its obligations, and the fundees fulfill their obligations under the US Public Access Policy -- and not only is OA provided (at the latest) after allowable embargoes have elapsed, but "Almost-OA" can be provided immediately as of deposit, with the help of each IR's <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1115-DSpace-EPrints-Help-Authors-Provide-Access-During-Publisher-OA-Embargoes.html">Copy-Request Button</a>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Please keep this as simple and feasible as it really is, rather than adding far-fetched worries about whether fundees and their institutions really know who their funders are (of course they do!) and whether the funder metadata can be matched with the article deposit (of course it can!).</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>Stevan Harnad</b></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>On May 30, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">amsciforum@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:58 PM, David Wojick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><i>Stevan, you seem to think that I am advocating for a publisher based solution but I am not. I am simply trying to find a good program design. In fact I think CHORUS has wandered away from that design, to the point where the funding agencies may not try to use it.</i></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well that much is very welcome news!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><i>But as for the funder identification problem, it is far from trivial. What you describe below does not work. There is at present no simple way to tell which program funded the research that led to a given article. The grant information does not include this data. How then shall it be created (and made uniform)? This is a deep problem.</i><br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>David, I can only repeat: The <i>author of the article </i>(at the very least) -- and hence also the author's institution -- know <i>exactly</i> where they got the funding (program, subprogram, grants officer, everything). And they are very eager to credit their funders for their article output, to justify the funding, to get the next grant instalment, and for renewal or new grant applications.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the bottom-up option (2), they simply add a metadata tag for the funding's program/subprogram (in addition to metadata tag for the grant-contract-and-number) in the IR along with the article.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the perhaps more sensible option (1), the <i>US Federal funders of research</i> create a database that links their own grant-contract-and-numbers with their own program/subprogram identifiers (and then the IR need only tag the grant-contract-and-number).</div>
<div><br></div><div>No need for publishers to do any of that. And I don't know why you are suggesting it's such a big deal: There are a finite number of US Federal funding agencies, program/subprograms, grant-contract-and-number, and all the information is know and a matter of record. They have the data; they need only systematically integrate it into a database. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Alternatively, authors/institutions can do it distributedly.</div><div><br></div><div>In neither case is it a big deal.</div><div><br></div><div>It only appears like a problem if you look at it from the publisher's viewpoint, where authors are only in the habit of crediting their grant-contract-and-number in the acknowledgements sections of their articles, rather than giving fuller source information. </div>
<div><br></div><div>But authors and their institutions <i>have</i> the fuller information. And effective convergent funder and institutional mandates (to deposit in the institutional repository) together with simple, systematic compliance monitoring procedures will ensure that all the requisite metadata are deposited with the article.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div></div><div><i>Moreover, how this funder identification problem is solved will probably dictate the form of the US Public Access program. <br>
</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, we've made some progress: <i>It won't be the publishers' CHORUS doing it.</i> That's a non-started, and has been all along.</div><div><br></div><div>
Now the choice is between top-down, centrally (1) and bottom-up, distributedly (2). </div><div><br></div><div>Maybe it's easiest to start bottom-up, distributedly (authors/institutions) and then the funders can harvest the pairs of grant-contract-and-number and program/subprogram metadata tags in the the IRs for all of their articles in order to build up a central database of their own.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(This institutional-deposit/central harvesting (or institutional export) procedure is by far the optimal mechanism for all article metadata in the IRs and also, if desired, for the full-texts.)</div><div>
<br></div><div><b>Stevan Harnad</b></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div dir="ltr"><div>On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David Wojick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Stevan, what you describe sounds somewhat like the SHARE program, which
is one of the emerging proposed mechanisms for the US Public Access
program. See my
<a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/06/26/universities-propose-to-share-federal-funding-based-articles/" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/06/26/universities-propose-to-share-federal-funding-based-articles/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/06/26/universities-propose-to-share-federal-funding-based-articles/" target="_blank">http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/06/26/universities-propose-to-share-federal-funding-based-articles/</a>
from a year ago.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>David, "SHARE" is of course much better than CHORUS because it leaves access-provision in the hands of the universities and research institutions rather than journal publishers. And "SHARE" really just means that the IRs do it rather than the publishers.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But I certainly don't agree that the following is any problem whatsoever:</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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SHARE has its own specific problems, as does CHORUS. But as far as funder
identification goes, SHARE and CHORUS share the problem. This is because
the grant information that institutions get does not identify the
specific funding program. For example, in DOE the grant contract and
grant number merely say that the grant is from the Office of Science,
which funds about $5 billion a year. Which of their many programs and
sub-programs funded a given grant is not specified. So the institution
still has to get that information from the author, just as the publisher
does. And the resulting data must be uniform across all institutions,
just as with all CHORUS publishers.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So the grant-contract-and-number does not specify the program and subprogram. But the specific funder certainly knows what the program and subprogram is. And the author-and-institution certainly knows what the program and subprogram is. So what's the problem that necessitates publishers (of all parties) to become the custodians of these data, which have nothing to do with publishers?</div>
<div><br></div><div>(a) The exact source of the grant can be disambiguated <i>top-down, </i>with the funders linking the grant-contract-and-number to the exact funding source. That seems the most obvious way to do it. Then the IR need merely include the grant-contract-and-number tag in the institutional repository metadata for each funded article.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(b) Or it can be disambiguated <i>bottom-up, </i>with the author-and-institution including an exact funding source tag in addition to the grant-contract-and-number tag in the institutional repository metadata for each funded article.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Either way, the problem is trivial, and certainly no grounds whatsoever to outsource it to publishers!</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Moreover, while the publisher knows about the article, but not the
specific funder, the institution need know about neither. At present few,
if any, institutional repositories have deposit enforcement that would
meet federal standards. Most repository programs are voluntary, so an
unreliable source of ALL funded articles. And many institutions have no
repository, especially federal laboratories. So all in all the
institutions have much further to go than the publishers, as far as the
federal program goes. Keep in mind that the paradigm federal access
program at this point is PubMed Central, which works with publishers, not
institutions.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is why I have been urging for years that <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#c2coff=1&hl=en&lr=&q=institutional+central+convergent+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&safe=active&tbas=0&tbm=blg" target="_blank">deposit should always be convergent</a>, not divergent, with <i>all funders and all institutions mandating <u>institutional</u> deposit</i>, not institution-external deposit. (Deposits can then be automatically exported to or harvested by any institution-external repositories desired, such as PubMed Central.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>(Institutions that don't yet have a repository are just a piece of free software, some disk-space, and some sysad time from having one. Another non-problem.)</div><div><br></div><div>Convergent deposit mandates immediately recruit institutions to monitor and ensure full and timely compliance with the funder OA mandate, whether or not the institution has an OA mandate of its own (and in fact it motivates the institution to adopt an OA mandate of its own, for all of its research output, funded and unfunded).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Again, no grounds whatsoever to outsource any of this to publishers.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>This is not to say that SHARE cannot win the public access race. In fact
it is rumored that NSF may go the SHARE route, while DOE may go the
CHORUS route. NSF works solely with universities, unlike DOE. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, let's hope that DOE too sees the wisdom and practicality of taking the convergent route, with institutions instead of entrusting this funder/institution record-keeping function to a third party with a huge conflict of interest (publishers). </div>
<div><br></div><div><b>Stevan Harnad</b></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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At 12:12 PM 5/30/2014, you wrote:<br>
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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM, David Wojick
<<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>
> wrote:<br><br>
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<dd><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><i>The core challenge in the US Public Access program is to precisely
identify the funders of the research that leads to a given journal
article. This sounds easy but it can be a difficult and complex process.
The US Government is a vast and complex organization, with hundreds of
different offices sponsoring research. Moreover, each office can be
referred to in many different ways, creating a major name disambiguation
problem in the funder data.</i></blockquote></dd></dl></blockquote>To repeat:<br><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote>It is not for publishers to do record-keeping for the government on
the articles they publish, dearly as publishers no doubt wish to hold
onto this further potential chain of control over research and
researchers' work. <br><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote>Researchers' own institutions are the natural ones to do this. As I
wrote in my previous posting on this very same issue:<br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>All authors have institutions -- either a university or a research
institution. Those institutions have a huge stake in ensuring that their
researchers comply with their funder requirements (and they already
review all grant applications). Institutions are hence the ones in the
position to monitor their own researchers' journal article output, ensure
that the funder (if any) is specified in the repository metadata for each
published article, and, most important of all, ensure that the deposit is
done within the required time-frame (see BOAI recommendation above). <br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Repository deposits are time-stamped. Researchers can even be asked
to deposit the journal's acceptance letter (in closed access) alongside
the final refereed draft, for record-keeping and compliance monitoring
purposes. The institution can thereby systematically monitor and ensure
timely compliance with funder (and institutional) deposit mandates. (The
repository software and the Copy Request Button can then handle any
allowable publisher embargo periods in a simple, straightforward way
--via the Button till the embargo elapses, and then the deposit
automatically becomes OA.)</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><blockquote type="cite"><dl><dd><i>CHORUS and FundRef are attacking this funder identification problem
using a standardized menu of funder names and DOIs. The basic idea is
that the submitting author will pick out the standard names of all the
offices that contributed to the research that underlies the submitted
article. Again this sounds simple but it is not, because building a
comprehensive taxonomy of all possible funders is far from simple.</i></dd></dl></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</blockquote>Far from simple -- and far from necessary. Authors' own institutions are
the ones that are best positioned to stay abreast of the grants that
their researchers have received (in fact they already do so), and their
repositories can automatically record what resulting articles are
published and deposited, and when.<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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<dd><i>To begin with they have elected to build this menu to identify all
the funders in the world, not just the US Federal funders. As a result
the menu of funders already has six thousands names and it will probably
have many thousands more before it stabilizes. The size of the funder
list alone thus creates a big discovery problem, because many funders
have similar names. </i><br></dd></dl></blockquote>Let's hope that while (all? some?) publishers are spending their time
constructing a mega-database of all their authors' potential funders
worldwide, institutions will do the much more simple and sensible thing
of constructing a database of all their own employees' funding. (Indeed,
they do it already; they need only pool this information in their IR
metadata (and their <a href="http://www.eurocris.org/Index.php?page=Video_Keith&t=1" target="_blank">CRIS</a>, if they have one).<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;border-right-width:1px;border-right-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-right-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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</blockquote>Let journal publishers just manage the peer review of the papers
submitted to them and stop trying to create a monopoly over everything
else. The research community is perfectly capable of doing its own
record-keeping, thank you very much!<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote>
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<dd><i>Then there is the hierarchy problem, especially within the vast US
Government complex. Funding offices occur at many different scales, which
are arranged within one another in the tree-like organization chart. For
example in the US Energy Department there may be five or more layers of
funding offices. Saying which layer should be named in the funding data
for a given article is not simple. Moreover if offices in different
layers are named for different articles, then the resulting data will
have to somehow be aggregated by layer in order to be useful. To make
matters worse there are also cross cutting programs that involve multiple
offices. In short any taxonomy of US Federal funding offices is going to
be a complex system, not a simple listing.</i><br><br></dd></dl></blockquote>Needless pseudo-complications. The researcher receives a grant. The grant
has an agency and number. That agency and number is one of the metadata
tags on all articles arising from that funding that are deposited in the
IR.<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<dd><i>Given these complexities it may be better to have an editor name the
funders based on the acknowledgements section of the article, rather than
presenting the author with a complex taxonomy of possible funders. There
seems to be some experimentation in this direction, but it is a labor
intensive solution. The question is also whether the resulting data would
be accurate enough for agency purposes; given that acknowledgement has
been a relatively informal process. There is also the question of when to
collect this funder data, given the labor involved. Should it be upon
submission or after acceptance?"<br></i></dd></dl></blockquote>The above metadata are enough. Let those who wish to harvest it do so,
and do with it, as they will. Publishers have nothing to do with any of
this.<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;border-right-width:1px;border-right-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-right-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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</blockquote>And a reminder: We are talking about monitoring and ensuring compliance
with Green OA self-archiving mandates here.<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;border-right-width:1px;border-right-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-right-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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</blockquote>How funders plan to handle billing and documentation for any Gold OA
publishing charges that they may be foolish enough to cover out of scarce
research money while the money for Fair-Gold OA is still locked into
subscription journals is not what we are discussing here (and certainly
not my concern.)<br><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;border-right-width:1px;border-right-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-right-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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Stevan Harnad</b></div>
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