<div dir="ltr">On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM, David Wojick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
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</b>The core challenge in the US Public Access program is to precisely
identify the funders of the research that leads to a given journal
article. This sounds easy but it can be a difficult and complex process.
The US Government is a vast and complex organization, with hundreds of
different offices sponsoring research. Moreover, each office can be
referred to in many different ways, creating a major name disambiguation
problem in the funder data.</i><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To repeat: </div><div><br></div><div>It is not for <u>publishers</u> to do record-keeping for the government on the articles they publish, dearly as publishers no doubt wish to hold onto this further potential chain of control over research and researchers' work. </div>
<div><br></div><div><u>Researchers' own institutions</u> are the natural ones to do this. As I wrote in my previous posting on this very same issue:</div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">All authors have institutions -- either a university or a research institution. Those institutions have a huge stake in ensuring that their researchers comply with their funder requirements (and they already review all grant applications). Institutions are hence the ones in the position to monitor their own researchers' journal article output, ensure that the funder (if any) is specified in the repository metadata for each published article, and, most important of all, ensure that the deposit is done within the required time-frame (see BOAI recommendation above). </div>
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Repository deposits are time-stamped. Researchers can even be asked to deposit the journal's acceptance letter (in closed access) alongside the final refereed draft, for record-keeping and compliance monitoring purposes. The institution can thereby systematically monitor and ensure timely compliance with funder (and institutional) deposit mandates. (The repository software and the Copy Request Button can then handle any allowable publisher embargo periods in a simple, straightforward way --via the Button till the embargo elapses, and then the deposit automatically becomes OA.)</div>
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<div><i>CHORUS and FundRef are attacking this funder identification problem using
a standardized menu of funder names and DOIs. The basic idea is that the
submitting author will pick out the standard names of all the offices
that contributed to the research that underlies the submitted article.
Again this sounds simple but it is not, because building a comprehensive
taxonomy of all possible funders is far from simple. </i><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Far from simple -- and far from necessary. Authors' own institutions are the ones that are best positioned to stay abreast of the grants that their researchers have received (in fact they already do so), and their repositories can automatically record what resulting articles are published and deposited, and when.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><i>To begin with they have elected to build this menu to identify all the
funders in the world, not just the US Federal funders. As a result the
menu of funders already has six thousands names and it will probably have
many thousands more before it stabilizes. The size of the funder list
alone thus creates a big discovery problem, because many funders have
similar names. </i><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let's hope that while (all? some?) publishers are spending their time constructing a mega-database of all their authors' potential funders worldwide, institutions will do the much more simple and sensible thing of constructing a database of all their own employees' funding. (Indeed, they do it already; they need only pool this information in their IR metadata (and their <a href="http://www.eurocris.org/Index.php?page=Video_Keith&t=1">CRIS</a>, if they have one). </div>
<div><br></div><div>Let journal publishers just manage the peer review of the papers submitted to them and stop trying to create a monopoly over everything else. The research community is perfectly capable of doing its own record-keeping, thank you very much!</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><i>Then there is the hierarchy problem, especially within the vast US
Government complex. Funding offices occur at many different scales, which
are arranged within one another in the tree-like organization chart. For
example in the US Energy Department there may be five or more layers of
funding offices. Saying which layer should be named in the funding data
for a given article is not simple. Moreover if offices in different
layers are named for different articles, then the resulting data will
have to somehow be aggregated by layer in order to be useful. To make
matters worse there are also cross cutting programs that involve multiple
offices. In short any taxonomy of US Federal funding offices is going to
be a complex system, not a simple listing.</i><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Needless pseudo-complications. The researcher receives a grant. The grant has an agency and number. That agency and number is one of the metadata tags on all articles arising from that funding that are deposited in the IR.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><i>Given these complexities it may be better to have an editor name the
funders based on the acknowledgements section of the article, rather than
presenting the author with a complex taxonomy of possible funders. There
seems to be some experimentation in this direction, but it is a labor
intensive solution. The question is also whether the resulting data would
be accurate enough for agency purposes; given that acknowledgement has
been a relatively informal process. There is also the question of when to
collect this funder data, given the labor involved. Should it be upon
submission or after acceptance?"</i></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The above metadata are enough. Let those who wish to harvest it do so, and do with it, as they will. Publishers have nothing to do with any of this.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And a reminder: We are talking about monitoring and ensuring compliance with Green OA self-archiving mandates here.</div><div><br></div><div>How funders plan to handle billing and documentation for any Gold OA publishing charges that they may be foolish enough to cover out of scarce research money while the money for Fair-Gold OA is still locked into subscription journals is not what we are discussing here (and certainly not my concern.)</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>Stevan Harnad</b></div></div></div></div>