On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:46 PM, David Wojick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>NIH uses a 12 month embargo and that is what the other Federal agencies are required to do, unless they can justify a longer or shorter period for certain disciplines. This has nothing to do with the publishers or CHORUS. The publishers are building CHORUS so that the agencies will use the publisher's websites and articles instead of a redundant repository like NIH uses. They are merely agreeing to the US Governments requirements, while trying to keep their users, so there is no Trojan horse here, just common sense. Immediate access is not an option in this Federal OA program. The OA community should be happy to get green OA.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>1. The embargo length that the funding agencies allow is another matter, not <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1022-OA-2013-Tilting-at-the-Tipping-Point.html">the one I was discussing</a>. (But of course the pressure for the embargoes comes from the publishers, not from the funding agencies.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>2. The <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1009-CHORUS-Yet-Another-Trojan-Horse-from-the-Publishing-Industry.html">Trojan Horse</a> would be funding agencies foolishly accepting publishers' "CHORUS" invitation <i>to outsource author self-archiving, -- and hence compliance with the funder mandate -- to publishers</i>, instead of having fundees do it themselves, in their own institutional repositories.</div>
<div><br></div><div>3. To repeat: <i>Delayed Access</i> is not <i>Open Acces</i>s -- any more than Paid Access is Open Access. Open Access is immediate, permanent online access, toll-free, for all.</div><div><br></div><div>
4. Delayed (embargoed) Access is publishers' attempt to hold research access hostage to their current revenue streams, forcibly co-bundled with obsolete products and services, and their costs, for as long as possible. All the research community needs from publishers in the OA era is peer review. Researchers can and will do access-provision and archiving for themselves, at next to no cost. And peer review alone costs only a fraction of what institutions are paying publishers now for subscriptions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>5. Green OA is author-provided OA; Gold OA is publisher-provided OA. But OA means <i>immediate access</i>, so Delayed Access is neither Green OA nor Gold OA. (Speaking loosely, one can call author-self-archiving after a publisher embargo "Delayed Green" and publisher provided free access on their website after an embargo "Delayed Gold," but it's not really OA at all if it's not immediate. And that's why it's so important to upgrade all funder mandates to make them immediate-deposit mandates, even if they are not immediate-OA mandates.)</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Harnad: if delayed access is not open access in your view then why did you post the tipping point study, since it includes delayed access of up to 5 years? Most people consider delayed (green) access to be a paradigm of open access. That is how the term is used. You are apparently making your own language.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wojick: That is the way publishers would like to see the term OA used, paradigmatically. But that's not what it means. And I was actually (mildly) <i>criticizing</i> the study in question for failing to distinguish Open Access from Delayed Access, and for declaring that Open Access had reached the "Tipping Point" when it certainly has not -- specifically because of publisher embargoes. [Please re-read my summary, still attached below: I don't think there is any ambiguity at all about what I said and meant.]</div>
<div><br></div><div>But OA advocates can live with the allowable funder mandate embargoes <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13309/">for the time being</a> -- as long as deposit is mandated to be done <a href="http://www.dlib.org/dlib/july10/harnad/07harnad.html">immediately</a> upon acceptance for publication, by the author, in the author's institutional repository, and not a year later, by the publisher, on the publisher's own website. Access to the author's deposit can be set as OA during the allowable embargo period, but meanwhile authors can provide Almost-OA via their repository's facilitated <a href="https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/RequestCopy">Eprint Request Button</a>.</div>
<div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/71-guid.html">The Immediate-Deposit/Optional-Access (ID/OA) Mandate: Rationale and Model</a></div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/865-guid.html">Public Access to Federally Funded Research (Response to US OSTP RFI)</a></div>
</div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/991-.html">Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access Mandate</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote">
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">amsciforum@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font face="times new roman, serif">On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM, David Wojick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us" target="_blank">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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The US Government is developing a green OA system for all articles based
even in part on Federal funding, with a default embargo period of 12
months. The publishers have responded with a proposal called CHORUS that
meets that requirement by taking users to the publisher's website. Many
of the journals involved presently have no OA aspect so this will
significantly increase the percentage of OA articles when it is
implemented over the next few years.<br></font></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br><strong style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:18px;text-align:left;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:12px;margin:0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,sans-serif;padding:0px;border:0px">[David Wojick </strong><span style="line-height:18px;text-align:left;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,sans-serif"> works part time as the Senior Consultant for Innovation at OSTI, the Office of Scientific and Technical Information, in the Office of Science of the US Department of Energy. He has a PhD in logic and philosophy of science, an MA in mathematical logic, and a BS in civil engineering.]</span> </blockquote>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font face="times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif">Let us fervently hope that the US Government/OSTP will <u><i>not</i></u> be taken in by this publisher Trojan Horse called <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">"</span><a href="http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2013/06/scientific-publishers-offer-solu.html" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px" target="_blank">CHORUS</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">." </span> It is tripping point, not a tipping point.</font></div>
<div><font face="times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif">If not, we can all tip our hats goodbye to Open Access -- which means free online access immediately upon publication, not access after a one-year embargo.</font></div>
<div><font face="times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">CHORUS is just the latest successor organisation for self-serving </span><a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#lr=&c2coff=1&safe=active&hl=en&tbm=blg&sclient=psy-ab&q=(lobbying+OR+lobby)+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&oq=(lobbying+OR+lobby)+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&gs_l=serp.3...14364.16642.0.17599.8.8.0.0.0.0.165.748.7j1.8.0...0.0...1c.1.16.psy-ab.9T7OcUOL6gE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=41411a1f1a5d3b02&biw=1260&bih=674" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px" target="_blank">anti-Open Access (OA) lobbying</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px"> by the publishing industry. Previous incarnations have been the "</span><a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#lr=&c2coff=1&safe=active&hl=en&tbm=blg&sclient=psy-ab&q=(prism+OR+pitbull+OR+pit-bull)+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&oq=(prism+OR+pitbull+OR+pit-bull)+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&gs_l=serp.3...41865.56372.1.57067.38.30.8.0.0.0.129.2666.28j2.30.0...0.0...1c.1.16.psy-ab.oY8Xj19aWIM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=41411a1f1a5d3b02&biw=1260&bih=674" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px" target="_blank">PRISM coalition</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">" and the "</span><a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#lr=&c2coff=1&safe=active&hl=en&tbm=blg&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22research+works+act%22+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&oq=%22research+works+act%22+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&gs_l=serp.3...15413.22277.0.23563.20.20.0.0.0.1.137.1792.17j3.20.0...0.0...1c.1.16.psy-ab.JkaNf1Hb3Oc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=41411a1f1a5d3b02&biw=1260&bih=674" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px" target="_blank">Research Works Act</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">."</span></font><blockquote style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">
<font face="times new roman, serif">1. It is by now evident to everyone that OA is inevitable, because it is optimal for research, researchers, research institutions, the vast R&D industry, students, teachers, journalists and the tax-paying public that funds the research.<br>
<br>2. Research is funded by the public and conducted by researchers and their institutions for the sake of research progress, productivity and applications -- not in order to guarantee publishers' current revenue streams and modus operandi: Research publishing is a service industry and must adapt to the revolutionary new potential that the online era has opened up for research,<em> not vice versa</em>!<br>
<br>3. That is why both research funders (like NIH) and research institutions (like Harvard) -- in the US as well as in the rest of the world -- are increasingly mandating (requiring) OA: See <a href="http://roarmap.eprints.org/" style="color:rgb(0,51,102)" target="_blank">ROARMAP</a>.<br>
<br>4. Publishers are already trying to delay the potential benefits of OA to research progress by imposing <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#q=embargo+OR+embargoes+OR+embargoed+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=active&hl=en&tbm=blg&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=xemwUeqMEOSwyQGjn4DgBg&ved=0CBsQpwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47534661,d.aWc&fp=41411a1f1a5d3b02&biw=1260&bih=672" style="color:rgb(0,51,102)" target="_blank">embargoes</a> of 6-12 months or more on research access that can and should be <a href="http://www.openaccesspublishing.org/delayed/laakso_bj_rk_delay_preprint.pdf" style="color:rgb(0,51,102)" target="_blank">immediate</a> in the online era.<br>
<br>5. The strategy of CHORUS is to try to take the power to provide OA out of the hands of researchers so that publishers gain control over both the timetable and the insfrastructure for providing OA.<br><br>6. And, without any sense of the irony, the publisher lobby (which already consumes so much of the scarce funds available for research) is attempting to do this under the pretext of <em>saving "precious research funds" for research</em>!<br>
<br>7. It is for researchers to provide OA, and for their funders and institutions to mandate and monitor OA provision by requiring deposit in their institutional repositories -- which already exist, for multiple purposes.<br>
<br>8. Depositing in repositories entails no extra research expense for research, just a few extra keystrokes, from researchers.<br><br>9. Institutional and subject repositories keep both the timetable and the insfrastructure for providing OA where it belongs: in the hands of the research community, in whose interests it is to provide OA.<br>
<br>10. The publishing industry's previous ploys -- PRISM and the Research Works Act -- were obviously self-serving Trojan Horses, promoting the publishing industry's interests disguised as the interests of research.<br>
</font></blockquote><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">Let the the US Government not be taken in this time either.</span></font></div><div>
<font face="times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif">[And why does the US Government not hire consultants who represent the interests of the research community rather than those of the publishing industry?]<br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">
<br>Eisen, M. (2013) </font><a href="http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1382" target="_blank">A CHORUS of boos: publishers offer their “solution” to public access</a></div><div><br style><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">Giles, J. (2007) </span><a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/hsc/nml/assets/AAHSL/Nature_PR%20Pit%20Bull%2007-0124.pdf" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif" target="_blank">PR's 'pit bull' takes on open access</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">. Nature 5 January 2007.</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">
<br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">Harnad, S. (2012) </span><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/867-guid.htm" style="color:rgb(0,51,102);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif" target="_blank">Research Works Act H.R.3699: The Private Publishing Tail Trying To Wag The Public Research Dog, Yet Again</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">. </span><em style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">Open Access Archivangelism</em><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif"> 287 January 7. 2012</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px">
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<div><font face="times new roman, serif">At 01:39 PM 7/20/2013, Stevan Harnad wrote:</font><br><blockquote type="cite"><font face="times new roman, serif">
<b>Summary:</b> The findings of Eric Archambault’s (2013) pilot study
“<a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Temp/ISSI-ARchambeault.pdf" target="_blank">
The Tipping Point - Open Access Comes of Age</a>” on the percentage of OA
that is currently available are very timely, welcome and promising. The
study finds that the percentage of articles published in 2008 that are OA
in 2013 is between 42-48%. It does not estimate, however, <i>when in that
5-year interval the articles were made OA</i>. Hence the study cannot
indicate what percentage of articles being published in 2013 is being
made OA in 2013. Nor can it indicate what percentage of articles
published before 2013 is OA in 2013. The only way to find that out is
through a separate analysis of immediate Gold OA, delayed Gold OA,
immediate Green OA, and delayed Green OA, by discipline.<br><br>
See:
<a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1022-OA-2013-.html" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1022-OA-2013-.html" target="_blank">http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1022-OA-2013-.html</a>
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