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What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.<BR>
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Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llevar a cabo localmente. <BR>
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Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" pueden ayudarnos<BR>
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Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <BR>
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Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<BR>
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I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<BR>
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Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional repositories, etc..<BR>
No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP) have also contributed to this development.<BR>
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El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Guédon <<A HREF="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</A>> escribió:
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Me parece muy bien,<BR>
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pero...<BR>
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It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.<BR>
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This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<BR>
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What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.<BR>
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In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a wonderful model to follow.<BR>
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There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR). <BR>
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It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive. <BR>
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Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
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This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually just free access (public access)...
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So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, which means licensed under a CC-by license ? <BR>
Que les parece? <BR>
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On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba <<A HREF="mailto:saraycg@gmail.com">saraycg@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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Dear all, <BR>
Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap <A HREF="http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/</A> which describes the OA situation from different facets. <BR>
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We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI Forum news: <A HREF="https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/</A>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existed. <BR>
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Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open access and to support the local and regional development. <BR>
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We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: <A HREF="http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</A> <BR>
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Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that<BR>
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Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.<BR>
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<B>Subject:</B> [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group<BR>
Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" science (international here meaning "core journals" as defined by Thomson-Reuters...).<BR>
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What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<BR>
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I am with you 120%' Carolina.<BR>
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In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.<BR>
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I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and positions supporting local actions.<BR>
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What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and spicy element.<BR>
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