<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><b>Crucial strategic distinctions:</b><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>Immediate-deposit should be <b>required</b>.</div><div><br></div><div>Immediate-OA to the immediate-deposit should be <b>recommended,</b></div><div>not required.</div><div><br></div><div>CC licenses should be <b>recommended</b>, not required.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>Reasons:</b></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>Immediate-deposit <i>cannot </i>be embargoed by publishers.</div><div><br></div><div>Immediate-OA <i>can</i> be embargoed by publishers.</div><div><br></div><div>Requiring CC licenses encourages publisher embargoes (against</div><div>immediate free-riding from rival publishers)</div><div><br></div><div>All fields, authors and users want and need online access</div><div><br></div><div>But not all fields, authors and users want and need the same CC</div><div>licenses</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Immediate-deposit can be mandated globally, by institutions and funders.</div><div><br></div><div>Once immediate-deposit mandates prevail globally, all the rest of the</div><div>things all fields, authors and users want and need will follow:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>1. the death of embargoes, </div><div>2. the end of subscriptions</div><div>3. publishers downsizing and converting to Gold OA </div><div>4. all the CC rights each field, author and user wants and needs</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b><i>But not if we insist on 1-4 <u>in advance</u></i>.</b></div><div><br></div><div>Dixit.</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad </div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 2013-05-20, at 5:23 AM, Mike Taylor <<a href="mailto:mike@indexdata.com">mike@indexdata.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks, Sridhar. For what it's worth, I endorse your far-sighted<br>preference for the CC BY licence over the more restrictive<br>alternatives. The NC clause certain can sing a siren song -- I've been<br>seduced by it myself in the past -- but informed voices are all but<br>unanimous that plain CC BY is best for the community as a whole, and<br>strongly support the proposition that it's usually best for the<br>individual author. (Heather is an eloquent, but isolated, dissenting<br>voice).<br><br>The adoption of CC BY by commercial OA publishers like BMC and PeerJ<br>as well as non-profits like PLOS and eLife and large international<br>organisation like the World Bank and UNESCO shows how generally it's<br>applicable, and demonstrates what a broad range of well-informed<br>organisations have reached this conclusion. ICAR would be a worth<br>addition to those ranks.<br><br>-- Mike.<br><br><br><br><br><br>On 20 May 2013 06:08, Sridhar Gutam <<a href="mailto:gutam2000@gmail.com">gutam2000@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Heather,<br><br>I was following your arguments against CC-BY and others for CC-BY.<br><br>I am in the CC-BY as its a non exclusive license and everyone would<br>have equal chances to use the content and make tools and applications.<br><br>Now in the larger interest I have included CC-BY in the policy draft<br>(modified) as proposed by the leaders of the OA movement.<br><br>Now this draft would be submitted to the committee headed formed for<br>formulating the guidelines for open access policy in ICAR.<br><br>23rd May is the last date for submission of the comments. 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Any dispute arising under these terms<br>and conditions shall be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the<br>courts of India.<br><br><a href="http://www.icar.org.in/node/1496">http://www.icar.org.in/node/1496</a><br><br>The copyright of the articles published in The Indian Journal of<br>Agricultural Sciences vests with the Indian Council of Agricultural<br>Research, who has the right to enter into any agreement with any<br>organization in India or abroad engaged in reprography, photocopying,<br>storage and dissemination of information contained in these journals.<br>The Council has no objection in using the material, provided the<br>information is being utilized for academic purpose but not for<br>commercial use.Due credit line should be given to the ICAR where<br>information will be utilized.<br><br>http://epubs.icar.org.in/ejournal/index.php/IJAgS/about/submissions#copyrightNotice<br><br>Thanks & Regards<br>Sridhar<br>__________________________________________________________<br>Sridhar Gutam PhD, ARS, Patent Laws (NALSAR), IP & Biotech. (WIPO)<br>Senior Scientist (Plant Physiology) Central Institute for Subtropical<br>Horticulture<br>Joint Secretary, Agricultural Research Service Scientists' Forum<br>Convenor, Open Access India<br>Country Representative, YPARD<br>Rehmankhera, Kakori Post<br>Lucknow 226101, Uttar Pradesh, India<br>Phone: +91-522-2841022/23/24; Fax: +91-522-2841025<br>Mobile:+91-9005760036/8005346136<br>Publications: http://works.bepress.com/sridhar_gutam/<br><br><br>On 20 May 2013 00:56, Heather Morrison <hgmorris@sfu.ca> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Excellent work, Sridhar.<br><br>I would strongly recommend, however, removal of reference to the CC-BY<br>license. This is NOT in the best interests of Indian scholars or<br>Indian research funders. This gives blanket commercial rights to<br>anyone, anywhere downstream, with absolutely no obligation for<br>reciprocity. That is, if CC-BY becomes the default, it is quite<br>possible that a next generation of research tools will be built by the<br>commercial sector on a for-pay basis with no obligation to provide<br>affordable pricing for countries like India - who could easily end up<br>one step ahead (getting the benefits of open access to the kinds of<br>publications produced now), but two steps behind (locked out of access<br>to the next generation tools).<br><br>This is section that I am referring to - I would suggest simply<br>removing the whole section.<br><br>12. All the ICAR institute’s website content, print/digital<br>publications, meta-data and full-texts in repositories are to be<br>licensed for public use under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 (CC-<br>BY 3.0) Unported License<br><br>I acknowledge that many of my colleagues in the open access movement<br>are strong proponents of CC-BY licensing, and that there are positive<br>as well as negative implications of using this license. This is a<br>topic that I have explored and continue to explore in some depth -<br>links to some of my writings including my submission to the UK BIS<br>committee can be found from here:<br>http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2012/10/critique-of-cc-by-series.html<br><br>best,<br><br>Dr. Heather Morrison<br>Freedom for scholarship in the internet age<br>http://summit.sfu.ca/item/12537<br><br><br>On 19-May-13, at 1:14 AM, Sridhar Gutam wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Colleagues and Friends,<br><br>Please see the attachment for the document made modifying the ICAR<br>Open Access Policy Draft and the Original Policy Draft.<br><br>If any comments/suggestions, please share by today. Tomorrow I would<br>like to submit to the ICAR.<br><br>Thanks & Regards<br>Sridhar<br>__________________________________________________________<br>Sridhar Gutam PhD, ARS, Patent Laws (NALSAR), IP & Biotech. (WIPO)<br>Senior Scientist (Plant Physiology) Central Institute for Subtropical<br>Horticulture<br>Joint Secretary, Agricultural Research Service Scientists' Forum<br>Convenor, Open Access India<br>Country Representative, YPARD<br>Rehmankhera, Kakori Post<br>Lucknow 226101, Uttar Pradesh, India<br>Phone: +91-522-2841022/23/24; Fax: +91-522-2841025<br>Mobile:+91-9005760036/8005346136<br>Publications: http://works.bepress.com/sridhar_gutam/<br><Submission to ICAR on its Open Access Policy 2013 Draft Open Access<br>India.pdf><Submission to ICAR on its Open Access Policy 2013 Draft<br>Open Access India.doc><Draft ICAR Open Access Policy for<br>Comments.pdf>_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>