<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">An immediate-deposit mandate moots most of this discussion. Versions and rights need <div>not be checked if the mandate simply says:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align: left;"><i>"Deposit the refereed draft immediately, and make it Closed Access."</i></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So all this discussion is about what *else* you can do, and when.</div><div><br></div><div>Here's a list:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>1. A sensible author will make the immediate-deposit OA immediately, just as physicists </div><div>have been successfully doing for decades with no problems.</div><div><br></div><div>2. A cautious author will look up the publsher's embargo policy as well as the funder's</div><div>embargo limit, and make the immediate-deposit OA at whichever date comes first.</div><div><br></div><div>3. A timid author will look up the publsher's embargo policy and make the </div><div>immediate-deposit OA at whatever date the publisher indicates.</div><div><br></div><div>4. A foolish author will simply make the immediate-deposit and leave it as</div><div>Closed Access (attending to reprint requests generated by the request copy Button</div><div>on an individual case by case basis).</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The speed with which we reach 100% Green OA and beyond depends on the relative</div><div>proportion of foolish, timid, cautious and sensible authors.</div><div><br></div><div>But please, while we keep speculating, let us all mandate immediate-deposit.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't mean <u>just</u>:</div><div><br></div><div><i style="text-align: left; ">"Deposit the refereed draft immediately, and make it Closed Access."</i></div><div><br></div><div>Improve on that in any way you like:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><i>"and make it OA immediately"</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>"and make it OA immediately or after X months at the latest"</i></div><div><br></div></blockquote>But in any case, <b>deposit immediately!</b><br><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div><div><br><div><div>On 2013-03-21, at 9:40 AM, Hans PfeiffenbergAer <<a href="mailto:hans.pfeiffenberger@awi.de">hans.pfeiffenberger@awi.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.03.13 10:35, schrieb Tim Brody:<br>
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<pre wrap="">By comparison, taking a copy is little extra effort and the institution
can say unambiguously that they have an open access copy.
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wrong: if somebody uploads a PDF the institution<br>
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- may have a <i><b>copy</b></i> if the identity of the file
submitted or its equivalence with the version of record can be
established<br>
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- may have an <i><b>OA copy</b></i>. But to establish that, someone
at the institution (the library?) must check the copyright notice
in it (if any) and possibly consult with the authors about his/her
contract with the publisher (because, legally, something found on
the web pages of the publisher or ROMEO does not count), ...<br>
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I just insisted on bean counting because it was done to the other
side as well. I think this could go on indefinitely and should
therefore be stopped.<br>
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Seen from a non-British perspective, the discussion has morphed from
being about Open Access to a discussion about controlling of
science. And setting up of mandates and policies which are the least
costly to enforce. Cost to the admin dept., of course! Where the
library, if involved in this, may morph into a branch of admin. <br>
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How very German! Enjoy!<br>
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best,<br>
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Hans<br>
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