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<br /></b>Nick,
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<br />Small, independent, innovative OA journals do not get the credit they would deserve -
<br />I am partial, because I have my "own" journal - and often left out of considerations.
<br />They are not green, but not "professional" gold either. They might not get IFs,
<br />in spite of their (measurable) quality, success and impact. They are not represented
<br />properly (that's what I feel) by OASPA either.
<br />
<br />Andras Holl<b>
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<br />On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:47:27 +1100, Nick Thieberger wrote</b>
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Steven,
<br />>
<br />> Our example is of a small OA journal, now in its
seventh year. We have pioneered publishing primary language material to
accompany linguistic articles and locate all our collection in a DSpace
repository with handles. Our funding is scraped together and covers student
GAships for copy-editing and page layout of articles. Our reach is excellent and
can always be improved, but we use download statistics to emulate an impact
factor. In your model, author download statistics will be split between the OA
journal's site and the home institution's repository. My University
repository allows us to have a full citation that points to the OA article in
the originating journal's repository and that would seem to be a good
outcome for both your mandating institution and the struggling OA journal that
needs to justify itself to its funders. I'm sorry that you think that an OA
journal that is doing its best to keep producing free OA output is acting as a
publisher with a '<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">publishers'
importunate </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">nonsense'.</span>
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<br />> <span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Nick
Thieberger</span>
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On 15 March 2013 08:00, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:
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<br />> On 2013-03-14, at 1:13 AM, Nick Thieberger <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:thien@unimelb.edu.au">thien@unimelb.edu.au</a>>
wrote:
<br />> <blockquote type="cite">
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But what if the article is in an OA journal that would like to have the hit
count for</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br />> downloads from its site?
Is there scope for the mandate to cover only
non-OA
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br />> journal articles
perhaps?</blockquote>
<br />>
<br />> That would be an exceedingly bad
solution, for authors, for their institutions
<br />> for their research and for
OA.
<br />>
<br />> And institutions would lose a simple, natural, powerful and
uniform way to monitor
<br />> mandate compliance by their authors.
<br />>
<br />> And what's more important: hit/download counts for authors, for
their own
articles,
<br />> and for their institutions, or hit/download counts
for publishers' sites?
<br />>
<br />> But in any case there's a
simple (though silly) compromise:
<br />>
<br />> All articles (whether
subscription or Gold, emargoed or not) must be
immediately
<br />> deposited in the author's institutional repository.
<br />>
<br />> Where the author either wishes to comply with a non-OA publisher's
embargo
<br />> on Green OA, or with a Gold-OA publisher's desire to
have hit/download
counts
<br />> for its site, access to the deposit need not be made OA (until the
embargo
<br />> elapses or until the author tires of accommodating
publishers' importunate
<br />> nonsense).
<br />>
<br />> Stevan
Harnad
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<br />> <blockquote type="cite">
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<br />> Nick
Thieberger
<br />> Editor
<br />> Language Documentation & Conservation
Journal
<br />> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.nflrc.hawaii.edu/ldc/">http://www.nflrc.hawaii.edu/ldc/</a>
<br />>
<br />> On 14 March 2013 11:16, Stevan Harnad <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
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Full Text: <a target="_blank" href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/994-.html">http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/994-.html</a>
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<br />> <strong style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Executive
Summary:</strong><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </span><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The <a target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102);" href="http://www.hefce.ac.uk/media/hefce/content/news/news/2013/open_access_letter.pdf">proposed HEFCE/REF Open Access [OA]
mandate</a> -- that in order to be eligible for REF, the peer-reviewed final
draft of all journal articles must be deposited in the author’s institutional
repository immediately upon publication, with embargoes applicable only to the
date at which the article must be made OA – is excellent, and <em>provides
exactly the sort of complement required by the RCUK OA mandate</em>. It ensures
that authors deposit immediately and institutionally and it recruits their
institutions to monitor and ensure compliance.
<br />>
For journal articles, no individual or disciplinary exceptions or
exemptions to the immediate-deposit are needed, but embargo length can be
adapted to the discipline or even to exceptional individual cases.
<br />>
Embargo length is even more important for open data, and should be
carefully and flexibly adapted to the needs not only of disciplines and
individuals, but of each individual research project.
<br />>
Requiring monograph OA if the author does not wish to provide it is
not reasonable, but perhaps many or most monograph authors would not mind
depositing their texts as Closed
Access.</em>
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