<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On 2012-10-11, at 12:26 AM, Andras Holl wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>My opinion is that libre OA and CC By in particular is something<br>that sounds good, but in reality nothing more than a misconception.<br>It is thoughts, facts, ideas which should be reusable - and they<br>already are - not articles. Gratis OA is what the scientific community<br>needs, not libre. I operate a <a href="http://www.konkoly.hu/IBVS/IBVS.html">journal</a> and several repository</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div>collections, all of my users appreciate and demand access, none<br>of them wants anything more. Data mining would indeed be desirable,<br>but how? At repositories we already have OAI-PMH. Green OA<br>have the potential for even more. In my journal data mining is<br>allowed (with technical conditions), but the journal's own<br>sohisticated search system can provide more. Full text search<br>is fine, but it is really semantic web? Is searching strings<br>in the text data mining? I thing putting the CC BY label on <br>articles does not help much in this direction. We should think<br>about providing machine-readable abstracts for articles, applying<br>technologies like OAI ORE, instead of championing CC BY - something<br>that should serve a completely different purpose. See my<br>letter in JLCS ( <a href="http://jlsc-pub.org/jlsc/vol1/iss2/5/">http://jlsc-pub.org/jlsc/vol1/iss2/5/</a> ).<br><br>I agree with Stevan that tactically it is best to focus<br>on gratis Green OA (without discouraging Gold). What I am saying<br>more is that strategically CC BY is not what we want.<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Thanks to <a href="http://www.konkoly.hu/staff/holl.html">Andras</a> for his response. I think he would agree that</div><div>in some fields (such as crystallography) text-mining rights would</div><div>be useful today, but what his response underscore is that CC-BY</div><div>is not urgent in all fields (even <a href="http://www.konkoly.hu/IBVS/IBVS.html">technical ones</a> like his own) whereas</div><div>Gratis OA is urgently needed in all fields.</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan Harnad</div></body></html>