<html><head><base href="x-msg://1615/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Jeffrey,<div><br></div><div>All research articles in BMC journals are OA, BOAI-compliant CC-BY. A few journals (six of them, to be precise, <a href="http://arthritis-research.com/">http://arthritis-research.com/</a> , <a href="http://breast-cancer-research.com/">http://breast-cancer-research.com/</a>, <a href="http://ccforum.com/">http://ccforum.com/</a> ,<a href="http://genomebiology.com/">http://genomebiology.com/</a> , <a href="http://genomemedicine.com/">http://genomemedicine.com/</a> , and <a href="http://stemcellres.com/">http://stemcellres.com/</a> ) contain non-research articles, e.g. commissioned Reviews, Commentaries, Meeting reports, Viewpoints, and those articles – only those – are subject to a subscription charge.<div><br></div><div>Jan</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 9 May 2012, at 15:10, Beall, Jeffrey wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Jan:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Not all articles in the Biomed Central journals are open access; some require a subscription.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">An example is BMC's<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Genome Biology</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://genomebiology.com/content/13/4" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://genomebiology.com/content/13/4</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>> which is a hybrid journal with both toll access and open access articles. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(38, 38, 38); ">Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Assistant Professor<br>Auraria Library<br>University of Colorado Denver<br>1100 Lawrence St.<br>Denver, Colo. 80204 USA<br>(303) 556-5936</span><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: gray; "><br></span><span style="font-family: Consolas; color: blue; "><a href="jeffrey.beall@ucdenver.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jeffrey.beall@ucdenver.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Consolas; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jan Velterop<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:24 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk">boai-forum@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GOAL] Re: [BOAI] Meaning of Open Access<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Andras,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Whether Open Access relates to an individual article or to a whole journal depends on whether the journal calls itself an OA journal or whether the OA label is just attached to a few individual articles. Among the best examples we have are PLoS and BMC journals, all the articles in which are covered by a CC-BY licence, meaning they are full, BOAI-compliant Open Access, and you can do pretty much anything with them, including redistribute the whole journal, and converting articles into different formats, as long as you properly acknowledge the original author(s) whenever possible.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Depending on the reason why you text-mine, of course, the value of text-mining increases, on the whole, with the size of the body of literature that you can text-mine. A whole journal is better than a single article, but a large amount of articles from different journals on the same topic is better still.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The BOAI definition of Open Access allows text-mining. The appropriate licence covering BOAI-compliant Open Access is CC-BY.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Jan<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 9 May 2012, at 12:34, Andras Holl wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Dear All,<b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br></b>The thing whether Open Access relates to an individual article<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>or a whole journal is not clear. Does libre OA mean that anyone<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>is free to redistribute the whole journal, or only one, a few article?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Text mining rights are meaningful only for the whole journal.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>My opinion that they should be granted - the problem I have<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>is not with the rights. It is with the practice. The OA journal<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>I manage has every article available in several formats - LaTeX, PS. PDF, HTML -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>some of these are generated on-the-fly, some static. Indiscriminate<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>harvesting is a prolem for me. What I would like to have is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>some method, which is a mix of robots.txt and htaccess,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>maybe with a touch of legal content about the scope of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>possible use of harvested content.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>So, in my opinion, the real worls situation is even more complex<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>than either gratis or libre. There are many flavors of OA, and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>I do not think that sticking to the bOAI definition would do much good.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Andras Holl<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><b>On Wed, 9 May 2012 06:37:55 -0400, Stevan Harnad wrote</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ** Cross-Posted **<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On 2012-05-09, at 4:12 AM, Jan Velterop wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br>> I would favour doing away with both the terms 'libre OA' and 'gratis OA'.<o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br>> Open Access suffices. It's the 'open' that says it all. Especially if it is made<o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br>> clear that OA means BOAI-compliant OA in the context of scholarly<o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br>> research literature.<o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I don't doubt that Jan would like to do away with the terms libre and gratis OA. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> He has been arguing all along that free online access is not open access,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ever since 2003 on the American Scientist Open Access Forum:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/subject.html#msg6478" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/subject.html#msg6478</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> This would mean that my "subversive proposal" of 1994 was not really a <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> proposal for open access and that the existing open access mandates <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> and policies of funders and institutions worldwide are not really open access <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> mandates or policies.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://roarmap.eprints.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://roarmap.eprints.org/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> It is in large part for this reason that in 2008 Peter Suber and I proposed <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> the terms "gratis" and "libre" open access to ensure that the term<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> "open access" retained its meaning, and to make explicit the two <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> distinct conditions involved: free online access (gratis OA) and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> certain re-use rights (libre OA):<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/strong-and-weak-oa.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/strong-and-weak-oa.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> For Peter Murray-Rust's crusade for journal article text-mining rights,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> apart from reiterating my full agreement that these are highly important<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> and highly desirable and even urgent in certain fields, I would like<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> to note that -- as PM-R has stated -- neither gratis OA nor libre OA<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> is necessary for the kinds of text-mining rights he is seeking. They<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> can be had via a special licensing agreement from the publisher.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> There is no ambiguity there: The text-mining rights can be granted<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> even if the articles themselves are not made openly accessible,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> free for all. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> And, as Richard Poynder has just pointed out, publishers are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> quite aware of (perhaps even relieved with) this option, with <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Elsevier lately launching an experiment in it:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2012-May/000433.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2012-May/000433.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> This makes it clear that the text-mining rights PM-R seeks can be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> had without either sort of OA, gratis or libre...<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Let us hope the quest for Open Access itself is not derailed in this<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> direction.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Stevan Harnad<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Andras Holl / Holl Andras e-mail:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:holl@konkoly.hu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">holl@konkoly.hu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Konkoly Observatory / MTA CsFK CsI Tel.: +36 1 3919368 Fax: +36 1 2754668<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>IT manager / Szamitastechn. rendszervez. Mail: H1525 POBox 67, Budapest, Hungary<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>