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<font size="2">Dear All,<b>
<br />
<br /></b>The thing whether Open Access relates to an individual article
<br />or a whole journal is not clear. Does libre OA mean that anyone
<br />is free to redistribute the whole journal, or only one, a few article?
<br />Text mining rights are meaningful only for the whole journal.
<br />My opinion that they should be granted - the problem I have
<br />is not with the rights. It is with the practice. The OA journal
<br />I manage has every article available in several formats - LaTeX, PS. PDF, HTML -
<br />some of these are generated on-the-fly, some static. Indiscriminate
<br />harvesting is a prolem for me. What I would like to have is
<br />some method, which is a mix of robots.txt and htaccess,
<br />maybe with a touch of legal content about the scope of
<br />possible use of harvested content.
<br />
<br />So, in my opinion, the real worls situation is even more complex
<br />than either gratis or libre. There are many flavors of OA, and
<br />I do not think that sticking to the bOAI definition would do much good.
<br />
<br />Andras Holl
<br />
<br /><b>On Wed, 9 May 2012 06:37:55 -0400, Stevan Harnad wrote</b>
<br />> **
Cross-Posted **
<br />>
<br />> On 2012-05-09, at 4:12 AM, Jan Velterop
wrote:
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline" /><blockquote type="cite">
<br />> I
would favour doing away with both the terms 'libre OA' and 'gratis
OA'.</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br />> Open Access suffices. It's the
'open' that says it all. Especially if it is made</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br />> clear that OA means BOAI-compliant OA in the context of
scholarly</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br />> research
literature.</blockquote>
<br />>
<br />> I don't doubt that Jan would like to
do away with the terms libre and gratis OA.
<br />> He has been arguing
all along that free online access is not open access,
<br />> ever since 2003 on
the American Scientist Open Access Forum:
<br />>
<br />> <a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/subject.html#msg6478">http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/subject.html#msg6478</a>
<br />>
<br />> This would mean that my "subversive proposal" of 1994 was not
really a
<br />> proposal for open access and that the existing
open access mandates
<br />> and policies of funders and institutions
worldwide are not really open access
<br />> mandates or policies.
<br />>
<a href="http://roarmap.eprints.org/">http://roarmap.eprints.org/</a>
<br />>
<br />> It is in large part for this reason that in 2008 Peter Suber and I
proposed
<br />> the terms "gratis" and "libre" open access to ensure
that the term
<br />> "open access" retained its meaning, and to make explicit
the two
<br />> distinct conditions involved: free online access (gratis
OA) and
<br />> certain re-use rights (libre OA):
<br />>
<br />> <a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/strong-and-weak-oa.html">http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/strong-and-weak-oa.html</a>
<br />>
<br />> For Peter Murray-Rust's crusade for journal article text-mining
rights,
<br />> apart from reiterating my full agreement that these are highly
important
<br />> and highly desirable and even urgent in certain fields, I
would like
<br />> to note that -- as PM-R has stated -- neither gratis OA nor
libre OA
<br />> is necessary for the kinds of text-mining rights he is seeking.
They
<br />> can be had via a special licensing agreement from the
publisher.
<br />>
<br />> There is no ambiguity there: The text-mining rights
can be granted
<br />> even if the articles themselves are not made openly
accessible,
<br />> free for all.
<br />>
<br />> And, as Richard Poynder
has just pointed out, publishers are
<br />> quite aware of (perhaps even
relieved with) this option, with
<br />> Elsevier lately launching an
experiment in it:
<br />>
<br />> <a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2012-May/000433.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2012-May/000433.html</a>
<br />>
<br />> This makes it clear that the text-mining rights PM-R seeks can
be
<br />> had without either sort of OA, gratis or libre...
<br />>
<br />>
Let us hope the quest for Open Access itself is not derailed in this
<br />>
direction.
<br />>
<br />> Stevan Harnad
<br />
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Andras Holl / Holl Andras
e-mail: holl@konkoly.hu
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Konkoly Observatory / MTA CsFK CsI Tel.: +36 1 3919368 Fax:
+36 1 2754668
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