<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">** Apologies for Corss-Posting **<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@GMAIL.COM">amsciforum@GMAIL.COM</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">December 13, 2011 12:02:05 PM EST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href="mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG">AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>AmSci Forum Migrating to Global Open Access List (GOAL): New Moderator, Richard Poynder</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">American Scientist Open Access Forum <<a href="mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG">AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG</a>><br></span></div><br><div>Dear AmSci Forum,<br><br>The straw poll is complete (the full results are reproduced at the end<br>of this message).<br><br>The vote is for (1) continuing the Forum, under (2) the moderatorship<br>of Richard Poynder.<br><br>The AmSci list will now be migrating to<br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a> where the BOAI<br>list is also being hosted.<br><br>You need not re-subscribe. Your subscription will be automatically<br>transferred to the new host site.<br><br>The name of the list has been changed to the Global Open Access List<br>(GOAL) to reflect the fact that Open Access is no longer just an<br>American or a Scientific matter. It has become a global movement.<br><br>The old AmSci Forum Archives (1998-2011) will stay up at the Sigma Xi<br>site (indefinitely, I hope -- though we do have copies of the entire<br>archive).<br><br>The new GOAL archive, starting 2012 will be at:<br><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/</a><br><br>(Till the end of December, AmSci and GOAL will run in duplicate.<br>Although we hope the transfer will be smooth, there may be a few<br>glitches. We apologize and hope you will be patient until they are<br>sorted out.)<br><br>Stevan Harnad (soon to be replaced by Richard Poynder!)<br><br>---<br><br>Below are the complete results of Straw Poll on whether to continue<br>the Forum, and on who should be the new moderator:<br><br>AGAINST CONTINUING AMSCI:<br><br>ARIF JINHA: I believe it would be better to have one forum, the BOAI.<br>This forum has developed a doctrinal bias defined by the values and<br>personality of its leadership. Though the leadership is to be<br>commended for its credibility and vigour, it is not without its blind<br>spots. It has not always OPEN to a diversity of perspectives. AMSCI<br>is driven by assertive and competitive advocacy for mandates over Gold<br>OA publishing. The rush to conclusion on the right path is premature<br>and overly authoritative in its expression, therefore it is<br>alienating. In truth, we have only really got started with the web in<br>the last 10 years and authority is completely flattened by the<br>learning curve. The BOAI is much wider in its representation of Open<br>Access alternatives, it is therefore more neutral as well as having a<br>wider reach for the promotion of Green OA. It means less duplication<br>and less work devoted to instant communication, giving more time to<br>develop a rigorous and scientific approach to meta-scholarship in the<br>digital age.<br><br>FOR CONTINUING AMSCI:<br><br>DANA ROTH: I would disagree with Arif Jinha, in that it is the<br>'assertive and competitive advocacy for mandates over Gold OA<br>publishing' that make AMSCI such an interesting listserv.<br><br>SUBBIAH ARUNACHALAM: First, I wish to express my grateful thanks to<br>Stevan for all that he has done so far, and in particular for<br>moderating this Forum for so long and so well. That he will continue<br>to devote much of his time to promoting open access and institutional<br>repositories gives me strength to do the same. Second, if Richard<br>Poynder agrees (or if we could persuade him) to moderate this list,<br>there is nothing like it. The baton would have moved to safe hands.<br>Not only he has the stamina of a long distance runner, but he is also<br>endowed with the qualities needed for a moderator. He is knowledgeable<br>and levelheaded. Welcome Richard!<br><br>DOMINIQUE BABINI: Discussions and ideas in this forum are also<br>inspiring for regional OA forums and lists, e.g., the Latin America<br>and the Caribbean Open Access List (LLAAR, in Spanish). Thank you,<br>Stevan, for your dedication as moderator all these years, and<br>especially for your new OA initiatives and ideas. Thank you for your<br>Skype contribution at the OA Experts Meeting last week in UNESCO<br>headquarters, where we missed you [in person]. I also support Richard<br>Poynder as [new] moderator for this Forum.<br><br>MICHAEL E. SMITH: I am in favor of continuing the list, and either of<br>the people you mentioned as potential moderators would be good<br>choices.<br><br>PAOLA GARGIULO: I also agree that the list should continue. I'm in<br>favour or Richard Poynder as moderator. Hope you will continue to<br>contribute.<br><br>PETER SUBER: If Richard is willing to moderate, I vote for him. I<br>second Alma's reasons why Richard would do well in this role. I<br>second Arthur's best wishes to you, and I second (or third) Barbara<br>and Hélène's tribute to your work. Finally, as the former moderator<br>of SOAF and BOAI, I welcome you to civilian life. It's amazing what<br>one can do when one has more time to do it.<br><br>BERNARD RENTIER: I vote for Richard Poynder. The excellence of his<br>critical and fair papers speaks for his designation. If he is willing<br>to do that, I am sure he will be an outstanding moderator. And that<br>this will let Stevan be even more tirelessly to the point in every<br>debate!<br><br>TOM COCHRANE: The value of the Forum cannot be overstated. It has<br>provided a unique service in assessing the events and health of OA<br>developments. It would be a regressive step in several ways if it were<br>to fall over. It is not too much to claim that its way of charting<br>developments, alerting readers to new issues, identifying useful<br>research and work on OA, and in your hands, reminding its readership<br>of the main issues – all these have had a direct impact on practical<br>developments. This has occurred to a degree that no single one of us –<br>from whatever part of the world - can comprehensively take in. But<br>believe me, it has played a vital role. But individual workloads need<br>to be shared, and we at QUT understand your reasoning. We are happy<br>with the Richard Poynder suggestion.<br><br>ELOY RODRIGUES: I also support Richard Poynder for moderator. I<br>strongly support the continuation of the AmSci Forum, and I regret<br>your decision of stepping down as moderator (even though I understand<br>your reasons, and I do hope that it will turn out the right decision<br>for you, and your efforts for OA progress). Thanks for your tireless<br>work for Open Access! All the best (from Rio de Janeiro, where I was<br>also archivangilizing for ID/OA mandates, at the Portuguese-Brazilian<br>OA conference).<br><br>KEITH JEFFERY: I am sorry it has come to this; you know I support your<br>point of view and moderation does require correction of misconceptions<br>as well as just posting. I wish the Amsci list to continue and Richard<br>is, of course, an excellent choice as future moderator.<br><br>ANDREW A ADAMS: I am in favour of the forum continuing to operate. I<br>feel Richard would make an excellent new moderator.<br><br>PIPPA SMART: I am in favour of the forum continuing and would be very<br>happy for Richard Poynder to moderate.<br><br>MARC COUTURE: I definitely wish the forum to continue. I may be only<br>the occasional contributor, but I've always been a very steady reader.<br>As to you not being the moderator anymore, I think it's even a good<br>thing, not because I share the opinion that a moderator should be<br>neutral and discreet, but because it will spare you some precious time<br>you could devote to useful purposes, OA-related or not. Note that I<br>assume we will continue to benefit, in the forum, from the seemingly<br>inexhaustible energy and the flawless, razor-sharp logic of our<br>"weary" archivangelist.<br><br>BARRY MAHON: As a long time stirring stick in the OA (hard to know<br>what word to use to describe it) world, and having crossed swords with<br>both Stevan and Richard over the years, I have a heavy heart in<br>accepting Stevan's decision but an uplift that Richard has<br>volunteered. It will, I wish, go on....and I'll be there, or here,<br>whichever is the more appropriate.<br><br>JEAN-CLAUDE GUÉDON: I also think this list should go on. And having<br>Richard or Thomas moderate is a good idea too.<br><br>BOB PARKS: Congratulations on stepping down. I hope it gives you more<br>time to pursue OA!!! Either Krichel or Poynder would be a good<br>moderator. I fear that Krichel is over committed.<br><br>HEATHER MORRISON: Thanks very much for moderating the list all these<br>years! I hope that the list will continue, and would support either<br>Richard Poynder or Thomas Krichel as moderators.<br><br>SALLY MORRIS: The support for Richard as moderator of the continuing<br>list seems clear. We really don't need to see all the messages - I<br>thought that was the point of keeping them off the list?<br><br>THOMAS KRICHEL: I think it should continue, as it appears to be the<br>largest and most active forum. I volunteer to do it…. If Richard<br>wants to do it, I'd be happy not to.<br><br>RICHARD POYNDER: Well I certainly vote for it to continue. I would<br>even put my name down for the moderator's hat if it was felt<br>appropriate for a journalist to run such a forum, and people believed<br>I could do the job adequately<br><br>ALMA SWAN: I am writing to nominate Richard Poynder as the new<br>moderator for the AmSci Forum. I think he brings the right qualities -<br>amongst them honesty, fairness, intellectual curiousness and<br>efficiency - and is hugely respected as an independent, critical<br>thinker on the issues that AmSci covers. I want the Forum to continue<br>because it is a real discussion list rather than a bulletin board…<br><br>HELENE BOSC: In memory of the remarkable work done by Stevan Harnad<br>for Open Access through this list, during 14 years, I wish it<br>continues... Richard Poynder would be a perfect moderator!<br><br>BARBARA KIRSOP: If Stevan feels he can better operate in support of OA<br>not as the moderator, then it would be great indeed if Richard Poynder<br>would adopt the mantle. I think AMSCI should continue. I am somewhat<br>in favour of a name change to highlight OA rather than the US - a name<br>change could be a mini-re-launch perhaps and bring in new contributors<br>- a fitting tribute to Stevan's past efforts.<br><br>ARTHUR SALE: May I wish you the best as non-moderator. It is the right<br>decision for you, I think. This may be a shock to you that I think<br>that it is a plus, but I think we need to get new ideas into the OA<br>transition, and you have done your bit and a lot more… and perhaps I<br>can even convince you eventually that the Titanium Road is the way to<br>go now! You will be bombarded with messages begging you to reconsider,<br>but I do think it is the right decision. Then you can enjoy being<br>yourself without constraint. No one person can bear the weight of the<br>world, not even Atlas.<br><br>IRYNA KUCHMA:The AmSci Open Access Forum is an active discussion forum<br>(SOAF and BOAI are more like the announcement lists) and my answer is<br>(1) definitely to continue. It's sad that you've decided to step down<br>as a moderator. I wish I could help you with moderating it, but I am<br>travelling a lot and sometimes not able to moderate the BOAI on time….<br>Hope you will find the ways to continue.<br><br>EUGENE GARFIELD: When I think about Stevan Harnad another information<br>pioneer comes to mind. The Belgian documentalist Paul Otlet. His<br>collaborator Henri LaFontaine, received the Nobel Peace Prize. That's<br>the kind of recognition that Stevan deserves.<br><br>MICHAEL KURTZ: I liked that AMSCI reflected your point of view, I value that,<br>and expect I will always. I hope I will always be able to discover<br>it, perhaps you will frequently post.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>