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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=939352208-07112011><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I too do not wish to engage in marathon
debate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=939352208-07112011><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>One final comment!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=939352208-07112011><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Authors do not write for free.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=939352208-07112011><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>1. Publication = Tenure = Promotion =
Money!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939352208-07112011></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=939352208-07112011>2.
</SPAN>Publication = Prestige = Speaking Engagements<SPAN
class=939352208-07112011> = Money</SPAN>!</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=939352208-07112011>3. </SPAN>P<SPAN class=939352208-07112011>ublication =
Professorships = Money!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=939352208-07112011>4. and etc.
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<DIV><SPAN class=939352208-07112011></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>H<SPAN class=939352208-07112011>ave a Good
day!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=939352208-07112011></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR> </DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk
[mailto:boai-forum-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Stevan
Harnad<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> BOAI
Forum<BR><B>Cc:</B> American Scientist Open Access Forum<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[BOAI] Re: The affordability problem vs. the accessibility
problem<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>On 2011-11-06, at 4:08 PM, Allen Kleiman wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Is
this a matter of 'commerce'?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes indeed, but definitely not
commerce along the lines of the analogy you describe below:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Suppose
I own a car and [1] offer it for sale to a rental company with [2] the
verification of its reliability and safety by two or three mechanics of
questionable qualifications and skill. However, [3] I want to include a
condition of sale that the buyer will make the car available to all the poor
people in my town for free since they can't afford to pay for the
rental.<BR> <BR>When a Publisher offers to print an article -- certified
by referees of questionable repute -- and [4] absorbs the cost of publication,
distribution, and etc., isn't he entitled to [5] retain the rights of
sale?</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Now let me count the myriad ways your analogy fails:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> [1] offer [car] for sale: No, authors don't sell but give their paper
to the publisher. They don't ask or get a penny in return.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> [2] verification of [car's] reliability: The referees, too, offer
their services for free -- but to the publisher, not the author.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> [3] condition[s] of sale: No sale, no sale conditions. Author gives
the paper to the publisher for free.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>[4] cost of publication, distribution, and etc. In exchange for
managing and certifying the outcome of the refereeing ("by referees of
questionable repute"), the author gives the publisher is given all rights to
sell, on paper or online.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>[5] retain the rights of sale: In exchange for managing and
certifying the outcome of the refereeing ("by referees of questionable repute"),
the author gives the publisher is given all rights to sell, on paper or
online.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In addition, the author simply places a free copy of the author's final
draft ("certified by referees of questionable repute") online for those who
cannot afford to pay for access to the publisher's version of record, on paper
or online.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>That's Green OA.</DIV>
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