<html><head><base href="x-msg://65/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Professor Granier<div><br></div><div>Allow me to reply as I was the Director of SPARC Europe when the Seal was introduced. I'm sorry that the Seal is not what you would like it to be. It is what it was always intended to be a) an encouragement to journals to make the licensing terms under which they publish papers explicit and b) an encouragement to journals to adopt the most liberal license; one that exactly matches the definition of OA in the Budapest Open Access Initiative. <div><br></div><div>I notice that you do not put the license status on the papers you publish. A reader coming across the latest paper:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://paleopolis.rediris.es/cg/CG2010_A01/index.html">http://paleopolis.rediris.es/cg/CG2010_A01/index.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>would have no idea what they could or could not do with the paper. At the very least, can you not place the licensing terms on the paper?</div><div><br></div><div>There is a list of journals that have fulfilled the criteria of the Seal here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=sealedJournals&p=1">http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=sealedJournals&p=1</a></div><div><br></div><div>As you can see, they come from a wide variety of countries, including a number of Latin countries. Perhaps it would be sensible to speak with some of the Editors of journals that have already received the Seal to see how they have managed the concerns you have.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div> <br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 13 Jan 2011, at 15:12, Bruno Granier wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Dear Colleagues,<br>on suggestion of a friend (she is on the list), I forward you a sequence of messages from myself to DOAJ and replies.<br><br>I am publish an OA journal and assume I do the best for our readers, authors, ... the scientific community. I expected our journal to get the SPARC seal on the DOAJ site ... I imagined it as a "medal of honour" but I was really disappointed by the DOAJ reply to my request.<br><br>There might be a cultural problem ... Ther wmight be something wrong with the CC.<br><br>Finally I also wonder what is the difference between CC and "public domain" ...<br><br>Thank you in advance for your comments (and helping me clarifying my "views"/"dreams")<br>Bruno Granier<br><br>##################################################<br>FrÃ¥n: bgranier<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://univ-brest.fr">univ-brest.fr</a><br>Skickat: den 6 januari 2011 13:04<br>Till: doajFeedback<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://listservice.lub.lu.se">listservice.lub.lu.se</a><br>à mne: [doajFeedback] How do I get the SPARC Europe seal?<br><br>My journal is<br><br>Carnets de Géologie DOAJ content<br>ISSN: 17652553<br>EISSN: 16340744<br>Subject: Earth Sciences --- Geology<br>Publisher: Carnets de Géologie<br>Country: France<br>Language: English, French, Italian, Spanish, German<br>Keywords: geology<br>Start year: 2002<br>License: (CC) BY-NC-SA<br><br>We are considered a GREEN publisher<br><a href="http://romeo.eprints.org/publishers/140.html">http://romeo.eprints.org/publishers/140.html</a><br><br>What do we need to get the SPARC seal?<br><br>------------<br>Bruno Granier<br>##################################################<br>A 10/01/2011 +0100 09:57, vous avez écrit :<br><br>Dear Mr. Granier,<br><br>Unfortunately the journal doesn't qualify for the SPARC Europe Seal since the published material aren't licensed with a CC-BY-license (please refer to:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=faq#getseal">http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=faq#getseal</a>).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Best regards,<br>XXXXXXX XXXXXXX, the DOAJ team<br><br>XXXXXXX XXXXXXX<br>Lund University Libraries, Head Office<br>P.O.Box 134, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden<br>Visiting address Tornavägen 9B, Lund<br>Phone: + 46 (0)46-222 0827<br>E-mail: XXXXXXX.XXXXXXX<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lub.lu.se">lub.lu.se</a><br><br><a href="http://www.doaj.org">http://www.doaj.org</a><br><br>Please consider the environment before printing this email.<br>##################################################<br>Från: Bruno Granier [mailto:bruno.granier univ-brest.fr]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Skickat: den 10 januari 2011 11:32<br>Till: XXXXXXX XXXXXXX<br>Ämne: Re: SV: [doajFeedback] How do I get the SPARC Europe seal?<br><br>Dear Mme XXXXXXX XXXXXXX,<br>I am very pro-active regarding open-access and e-publishing (one of the very few in my country) and I was really disappointed by the fact my journal did not receive this label ("a medal of honor").<br><br>I wanted to make sure whether it would be easy or not to change our CC licence and I checked the CC-BY licence<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>This license lets others distribute, remix, tweak, and build upon your work, even commercially, as long as they credit you for the original creation. This is the most accommodating of licenses offered. Recommended for maximum dissemination and use of licensed materials.<br>and found it is not applicable to us for we defend our authors (and our readers) and do not want their work to be re-used without their permission/agreement if it is for a commercial use<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>· for we want to leave them individually to make the decision whether they agree or not their work is re-used by people who will make money on it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>· for we want them to eventually receive royalties if their work is to be re-used commercially<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>I also found it not applicable for I cannot change the Licence from one day to the other without contacting all the authors of the papers published from 2002 to date and let them know and get their individual agreements !<br><br>I found that in your "Earth Sciences" directory the sole journals to get the seal are the Copernicus journals /// therefore may be we don't need the seal as we shall never be an EGU journal ///<br><br>In any case I can see there is a major cultural problem there (between Northern Europe-North America and the rest of the world) and in my opinion you will probably not get any "Latin" journals getting this seal in the forthcoming years. I am the administrator of Geoscience e-journals (<a href="http://paleopolis.rediris.es/geosciences/">http://paleopolis.rediris.es/geosciences/</a>) and so far I have encourage our members to join DOAJ, get their contents available in it, ... I think I will be less pushy in the future.<br><br>I wish your colleagues understand my position that reflects the opinion of many coleagues (I am an OA publisher, an editor, a university professor, an author, ... not a librarian).<br><br>Yours sincerely,<br>Bruno Granier<br><br>Bruno R.C. Granier (Prof. Dr habil.)<br><br>Département des Sciences de la Terre et de l'Univers<br>UFR des Sciences et Techniques<br>Université de Bretagne Occidentale (UBO)<br>6, avenue Le Gorgeu - CS 93837<br>F-29238 Brest Cedex 3<br>FRANCE<br><br><a href="http://www.univ-brest.fr/geosciences/granier.html">http://www.univ-brest.fr/geosciences/granier.html</a><br><br>Voice : ++ 33 (0)2 98 01 62 89<br>Fax: ++ 33 (0)2 98 01 66 20<br>Skype: bruno_brest<br><br>UMR 6538 Domaines Océaniques<br>Institut Universitaire Européen de la Mer (IUEM)<br>Technopôle Brest-Iroise<br>Place Nicolas Copernic<br>F-29280 Plouzané<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>FRANCE<br>##################################################<br>A 12/01/2011 +0100 15:20, vous avez écrit :<br><br>Dear Mr. Granier,<br><br>I have now discussed your question with my colleagues and got the following answer:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>The SPARC Europe Seal was launched in 2008 as a way of highlighting journals that are using a CC-BY-license, due to the idea that a greater clarity regarding rights in use of Open Access material was needed (please refer to the press release:<a href="http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=080423">http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=080423</a>). The choice of this specific license was based on that it is the most user-friendly and unrestricted version of the CC-BY-licenses, which makes it best corresponding with the BOAI definition of Open Access (<a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/boaifaq.htm#openaccess">http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/boaifaq.htm#openaccess</a>). Since our definition of Open Access (<a href="http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=about">http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=about</a>) is inspired by the BOAI definition (which actually allows commercial use, even though we have decided not to exclude journals having this restriction from the DOAJ service) and this idea is incorporated in the core of the DOAJ project we unfortunately can t change our policy regarding the seal.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Best regards,<br>XXXXXXX XXXXXXX, the DOAJ team<br><br>Från: XXXXXXX XXXXXXX<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Skickat: den 10 januari 2011 11:46<br>Till: 'Bruno Granier'<br>Ämne: SV: SV: [doajFeedback] How do I get the SPARC Europe seal?<br><br>Dear Mr. Granier,<br><br>I have forwarded your email to the rest of the team-members and will get back to you as soon as we ve investigated the question.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>XXXXXXX XXXXXXX<br><br>##################################################<br><br><br>Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:04 PM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: Re: SV: SV: [doajFeedback] How do I get the SPARC Europe seal?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Dear XXXXXXX XXXXXXX,<br><br>do you (at DOAJ) consider that journals for which authors have to pay to be published are genuine Open Access?<br>I am copying this message to Peter Suber ... I would like to get his opinion on SPARC Europe, your policy to give the "seal", ...<br><br>I make this message short as I am already late and have a lecture starting soon<br><br><span><ATT00001..txt></span></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>