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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In regards to the discussion about preservation of
DOAJ journals, as well as this discussion about Green and Gold Roads competing,
I want to suggest a way in which they can cooperate, starting with the DOAJ
journals leading the way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Why don't the 4000 DOAJ journals<EM><STRONG>
mandate author-archiving</STRONG></EM> of the refereed publication version in
interopereable open access archives as a condition of publication. So we
would have journal-mandated author-self-archiving in OAI compliant
interopereable institutional repositories, with a</FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial>rchivists maintaining the integrity of those having
the responsibility for preservation, this is their role. If journals
mandate archiving, that creates a redundancy in the case of an author that
belongs to an institution that <EM>does not
mandate</EM>. But the primary redudancy important here in
protecting against the failure of the information system, that is that a copy of
the article is archived. By archiving in interopereable open access
archives and the use of CC license, many more layers of
redundancy can naturally occur. Copies, copies, copies. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Clearly the non-OA and mixed journals are not going
to lead on this, but there seems no reason why the DOAJ cannot solve their
preservation issue for its journals by <EM><STRONG>journals mandating
archiving</STRONG></EM>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I was thinking of my late father, who was an
engineer and studied 'redundancy' in failure rates in areospace
engineering. You need to have a back-up, in this case is should be a
sepearate system from the journal and publisher itself, in case that system
fails. For preservation, you need the archiving in interoperable open
access archives. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This would create a division of labur where library
information scientists and archiving professionals would have copies of all
the articles and be responsible for its preservation, and journals could
focus on peer-review and publishing. By mandating this, they create the
needed redundancy for preservation <EM>without spending any
money</EM>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Arif Jinha</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>on the banks of the Mississipi River, Ontario,
Canada</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>arif.jinha(skype)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.stratongina.net">www.stratongina.net</A> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=amsciforum@GMAIL.COM href="mailto:amsciforum@GMAIL.COM">Stevan
Harnad</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
href="mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG">AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> On Throwing Money At Gold OA
Without First Mandating Green OA, Again!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333">Pre-emptive <A
href="http://blogsearch.google.ca/blogsearch?hl=en&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active&ie=UTF-8&q=%22gold+fever%22+blogurl%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&btnG=Search+Blogs"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">Gold Fever</SPAN></A> seems
to be spreading. </P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333">Following hard on
the heels of <A
href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/546-guid.html"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">University of California's
Gilded New Deal with Springer</SPAN></A> -- UC subscribes to the Springer
fleet of journals for an undisclosed fee, but, as part of the Deal, UC authors
get to publish their articles as Gold OA for free in those same Springer
journals -- now <A href="http://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">Universities UK</SPAN></A>
(UUK) and the <A href="http://www.rin.ac.uk/"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">Research Information
Network</SPAN></A> (RIN) are <A
href="http://www.rin.ac.uk/openaccess-payment-fees"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">jointly dispensing
advice</SPAN></A> on the payment of Gold OA fees (which is fine) but
<I>without first giving the most important piece of advice</I>: </P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333"><B>Universities
should on no account spend a single penny on Gold OA fees until and unless
they have adopted a </B><A
href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/136-guid.html"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"><B>Green OA
mandate</B></SPAN></A><B> for all of their refereed journal article
output.</B></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333">There is still time
for UUK and RIN to remedy this, by prominently setting the priorities and
contingencies straight. I fervently hope they will do so!</P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333">(Peter Suber is
expressing the <A
href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2009/03/guidance-on-paying-publication-fees.html"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #153461; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">very same hope</SPAN></A>,
but in his characteristically gentler and less curmudgeonly way.)</P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #333333"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #153461"><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"><A
href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/"><B>Stevan Harnad</B></A></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Verdana; COLOR: #153461"><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"><A
href="http://amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html">American
Scientist Open Access Forum</A></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>