[BOAI] [GOAL] FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous

[Stevan Harnad]

Dear Marin,

You are right. I have been living too long in the desert.

Yes, of course I agree that a law requiring all scientific articles and their data to be 
made openly accessible would be action and would be positive.

My apologies if my grumpy posting implied otherwise.

I thank you and the far more attentive and patient Hélène Bosc for pointing this out to me.

Stevan Harnad

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Marin Dacos <marin.dacos at openedition.org> wrote:
> 
> Let’s hope it leads to concrete implementation sooner than  the “Berlin Declaration <http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march05/harnad/03harnad.html>”
> of 2003 (still not implemented in 2016).
> 
> But let’s also remember that it is not declarations or petitions <http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0934.html> or even attention 
> that OA has lacked since at least 1994 <http://poynder.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-subversive-proposal-at-20.html>: 
> It’s action.
> ​This petition is action. French Senate will soon discuss the "Digital Law", which includes two articles :
> - 17th article is allowing researchers to deposit their articles in open archives, even if signed contrats with publishers explicitly forbids that : the French Law will give a new right to authors ;
> - 18thbis article is allowing text and data mining for researchers.
> If the Senate votes this law, it will be far more easy to convince universities and researchers to deposit their articles in open archives. As you know, many people think they are not allowed to do things.
> Best regards,
> Marin Dacos
> 
> 
> 
> The 22+ years needlessly lost so far are irretrievable. The question (for future historians <http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html>) 
> will be how many more were lost, since 2016, until the optimal, inevitable and obvious 
> outcome — fully within reach for decades — was at last grasped?
> 
> After all, OA is not (and never has been) rocket science. It’s just  raincoat science <http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/179-Raincoat-Science.html>.
> 
> But I’m just repeating myself...
>  
> 
> SH
> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: Stevan Harnad <mailto:amsciforum at gmail.com>
>>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <mailto:goal at eprints.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GOAL]FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous
>>> 
>>> Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.
>>> 
>>> SH
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge <Serge.BAUIN at cnrs.fr <mailto:Serge.BAUIN at cnrs.fr>> wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> (sorry for cross posting)
>>>> 
>>>> For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily explained.
>>>> 
>>>> As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two articles concerning scientific publications.
>>>> One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one about TDM rights (very similar to the English law).
>>>> The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).
>>>> Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.
>>>> An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « Le Monde <http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2016/03/07/pour-une-science-ouverte-a-tous_4878011_1650684.html?xtmc=pour_une_science_ouverte_a_tous&xtcr=4> » early this month.
>>>> The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and Research.
>>>> 
>>>> You can sign it and have it signed if you will.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best
>>>> 
>>>> Serge
>>>> 
>>>> De : Emilien RUIZ <emilien.ruiz at univ-lille3.fr <mailto:emilien.ruiz at univ-lille3.fr>>
>>>> Répondre à : Emilien RUIZ <emilien.ruiz at univ-lille3.fr <mailto:emilien.ruiz at univ-lille3.fr>>
>>>> Date : Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100
>>>> À : "dh at groupes.renater.fr <mailto:dh at groupes.renater.fr>" <dh at groupes.renater.fr <mailto:dh at groupes.renater.fr>>, "accesouvert at groupes.renater.fr <mailto:accesouvert at groupes.renater.fr>" <accesouvert at groupes.renater.fr <mailto:accesouvert at groupes.renater.fr>>
>>>> Objet : [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous
>>>> 
>>>> Bonjour à toutes et tous,
>>>> 
>>>> Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs de la tribune parue dans Le Monde le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer en pétition sur Change.org <http://change.org/>, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs de terrain". Notre objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de signatures avant le vote de la loi.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous <https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous> 
>>>> 
>>>> Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et à le diffuser.
>>>> 
>>>> Bien cordialement,
>>>> -- 
>>>> Émilien Ruiz
>>>> Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine
>>>> Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)
>>>> Site web <http://e-ruiz.com/> | Page professionnelle <http://irhis.recherche.univ-lille3.fr/0EC-Ruiz.html>
>>>> 
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