[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

Mon Jun 17 16:47:15 BST 2013

I was also invited to speak at Scielo, but I think I will not be able to
make it, since I will need to ne at the IGF in Bali.
I will be at CONFOA.
I am not going to Mexico, if anybody has funding to cover my travel I am
happy to go and start this process.
Carol

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Sueli Mara Soares Pinto Ferreira <
sueli.ferreira at dt.sibi.usp.br> wrote:

>
> Dear all
>
>
> The Confoa 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I
> will be more then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects
> or strategies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.
>
> Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and should
> be invited to this discussion and so on.
>
> Saray, it is very nice to know that you will participate in the CONFOA
> 2013, thanks.
>
> I am sending the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period -
> October 6th to 9th, 2013 at University of São Paulo. I am sorry the site is
> in Portuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?
> http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Sueli Mara Ferreira
>
> Enviado via iPhone
>
> Em 16/06/2013, às 19:19, Saray Córdoba <saraycg at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.
> Best regards,
>
> Saray Córdoba González
>
> El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
> We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year.
> That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and
> identify the right people.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon at msu.edu> wrote:
>
> The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start
> the process.
>
> http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013
>
> I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe
> including you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin
> America nor speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and
> happy to help in any way I can.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave Solomon
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon <
> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
>> **
>> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
>> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
>> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal.
>> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And
>> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
>> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These
>> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these
>> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful
>> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
>> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best practices,
>> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
>> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would be a
>> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>>
>> Just my two cents' worth.
>>
>> jc
>>
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
>> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda
>> llevar a cabo localmente.
>>
>> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
>> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo
>> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA
>> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte"
>> pueden ayudarnos
>>
>> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta
>> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
>> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>>
>> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>>
>> Carolina
>>
>>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ortúzar <gortuzar at u.uchile.cl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
>> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>>
>> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
>> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
>> repositories, etc..
>> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have also
>> contributed to this development.
>>
>> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>>
>>   Latin American Repositories Network
>>
>>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>>
>>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access
>> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>>
>> Latin America Thesis Portal
>> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>>
>>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
>> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>>
>>
>>
>>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>>
>>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>>
>>
>>
>>   The south also exists !
>>
>>
>>
>>   -------------------------------------------------
>>
>>   Gabriela Ortúzar
>>
>>   Director
>>
>>   Information Services & Library System
>>
>>   Universidad de Chile
>> Tel 56-29782584
>>
>>   http://www.uchile.cl
>>
>>   http://m.uchile.cl (móvil)
>>
>>
>>
>>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Guédon <
>> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> escribió:
>>
>>
>>    Me parece muy bien,
>>
>> pero...
>>
>> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good.
>> What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging
>> fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons;
>> they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>>
>> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
>> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very
>> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>>
>> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority
>> of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
>> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex,
>> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of
>> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore
>> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
>> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large
>> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form
>> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional
>> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to
>> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia
>> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
>> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>>
>> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power
>> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse
>> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a
>> wonderful model to follow.
>>
>> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the
>> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of
>> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that
>> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
>> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to
>> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high
>> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>>
>> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
>> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.
>>
>> Jean-Claude
>>
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
>>
>>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not
>> have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are
>> actually just free access (public access)...
>>
>>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
>> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration,
>> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
>> Que les parece?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba <saraycg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Dear all,
>> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
>> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
>> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
>> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>>
>>
>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI
>> Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex
>> (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked
>> about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south
>> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open
>> access and to support the local and regional development.
>>
>>
>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa
>> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
>> http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Saray
>>
>> 2013/6/13 Françoise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm at gmail.com>
>>
>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web of
>> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled "Latin
>> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
>>
>>
>> http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6/fulltext
>>
>>
>>
>> Françoise Salager-Meyer
>>
>>
>>  ***
>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>
>> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
>> librarian, it appears that some journals that
>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>>
>> For example,
>>
>>
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