[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

Mon Jun 17 16:06:02 BST 2013

Dear all

The Confoa 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I
will be more then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects
or strategies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.

Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and should
be invited to this discussion and so on.

Saray, it is very nice to know that you will participate in the CONFOA
2013, thanks.

I am sending the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period -
October 6th to 9th, 2013 at University of São Paulo. I am sorry the site is
in Portuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?
http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013

Best regards

Sueli Mara Ferreira

Enviado via iPhone

Em 16/06/2013, às 19:19, Saray Córdoba <saraycg at gmail.com> escreveu:

I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.
Best regards,

Saray Córdoba González

El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> escribió:

We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year.
That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and
identify the right people.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon at msu.edu> wrote:

The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the
process.

http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013

I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including
you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor
speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help
in any way I can.

Best wishes,

Dave Solomon

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon <
jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> wrote:

> **
> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal.
> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And
> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These
> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these
> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful
> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best practices,
> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would be a
> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Just my two cents' worth.
>
> jc
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :
>
> Dear all,
>
> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda
> llevar a cabo localmente.
>
> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo
> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA
> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte"
> pueden ayudarnos
>
> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta
> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>
> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>
> Carolina
>
>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ortúzar <gortuzar at u.uchile.cl>
> wrote:
>
>  Dear all,
>
>
>
>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>
> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
> repositories, etc..
> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have also
> contributed to this development.
>
> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>
>   Latin American Repositories Network
>
>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>
>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access
> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>
> Latin America Thesis Portal
> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>
>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>
>
>
>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>
>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   The south also exists !
>
>
>
>   -------------------------------------------------
>
>   Gabriela Ortúzar
>
>   Director
>
>   Information Services & Library System
>
>   Universidad de Chile
> Tel 56-29782584
>
>   http://www.uchile.cl
>
>   http://m.uchile.cl (móvil)
>
>
>
>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Guédon <
> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> escribió:
>
>
>    Me parece muy bien,
>
> pero...
>
> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. What
> is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fruits
> and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they
> can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>
> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very
> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>
> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority of
> journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex,
> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of
> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore
> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large
> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form
> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional
> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to
> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia
> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>
> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power
> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse
> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a
> wonderful model to follow.
>
> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the
> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of
> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that
> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to
> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high
> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>
> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
>
>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have
> OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually
> just free access (public access)...
>
>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration,
> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
> Que les parece?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba <saraycg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Dear all,
> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>
>
> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI Forum
> news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997),
> Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about open
> access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>
>
> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south
> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open
> access and to support the local and regional development.
>
>
> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa
> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
> http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>
> Best wishes
> Saray
>
> 2013/6/13 Françoise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm at gmail.com>
>
> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web of
> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled "Latin
> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
>
>
> http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>
>
>
> p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6/fulltext
>
>
>
> Françoise Salager-Meyer
>
>
>  ***
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
>
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