[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

Sat Jun 15 19:59:26 BST 2013

The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the
process.

http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013

I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including
you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor
speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help
in any way I can.

Best wishes,

Dave Solomon

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon <
jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> wrote:

> **
> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal.
> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And
> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These
> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these
> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful
> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best practices,
> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would be a
> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Just my two cents' worth.
>
> jc
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :
>
> Dear all,
>
> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda
> llevar a cabo localmente.
>
> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo
> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA
> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte"
> pueden ayudarnos
>
> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta
> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>
> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>
> Carolina
>
>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ortúzar <gortuzar at u.uchile.cl>
> wrote:
>
>  Dear all,
>
>
>
>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>
> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
> repositories, etc..
> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have also
> contributed to this development.
>
> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>
>   Latin American Repositories Network
>
>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>
>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access
> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>
> Latin America Thesis Portal
> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>
>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>
>
>
>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>
>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   The south also exists !
>
>
>
>   -------------------------------------------------
>
>   Gabriela Ortúzar
>
>   Director
>
>   Information Services & Library System
>
>   Universidad de Chile
> Tel 56-29782584
>
>   http://www.uchile.cl
>
>   http://m.uchile.cl (móvil)
>
>
>
>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Guédon <
> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> escribió:
>
>
>    Me parece muy bien,
>
> pero...
>
> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. What
> is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fruits
> and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they
> can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>
> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very
> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>
> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority of
> journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex,
> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of
> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore
> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large
> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form
> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional
> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to
> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia
> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>
> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power
> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse
> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a
> wonderful model to follow.
>
> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the
> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of
> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that
> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to
> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high
> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>
> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
>
>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have
> OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually
> just free access (public access)...
>
>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration,
> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
> Que les parece?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba <saraycg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Dear all,
> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>
>
> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI Forum
> news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997),
> Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about open
> access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>
>
> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south
> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open
> access and to support the local and regional development.
>
>
> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa
> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
> http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>
> Best wishes
> Saray
>
> 2013/6/13 Françoise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm at gmail.com>
>
> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web of
> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled "Latin
> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
>
>
> http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>
>
>
> p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6/fulltext
>
>
>
> Françoise Salager-Meyer
>
>
>  ***
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
> http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opc<http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3>
> ion=3<http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3>
>
> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
> Kevin
>
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>
>
> *From:* boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk [
> boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Guédon [
> jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> *To:* boai-forum at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the
> North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how
> long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why
> are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and
> after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support
> Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
> wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact is
> also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in
> the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of
> "international" science (international here meaning "core journals" as
> defined by Thomson-Reuters...).
>
> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than
> all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch
> report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of
> Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not
> Britain, or France or Germany.
>
> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I
> was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in
> supporting regional policy initiatives.
>
>
> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and
> positions supporting local actions.
>
>
> What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
> regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional
> and spicy element.
>
>
> Carolina
>
>
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