[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
Jean-Claude Guédon
jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca
Sat Jun 15 15:35:47 BST 2013
What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this
goal. It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the
ground. And the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to
manage the operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the
ground. These people can be identified rather quickly in many LA
countries. Making these people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few
days would be a wonderful way to kick things off. A foundation could
fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, they could share
experiences and best practices, and they could design a collective
strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has
been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.
Just my two cents' worth.
jc
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :
> Dear all,
>
> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se
> pueda llevar a cabo localmente.
>
> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas
> sensillo posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede
> avanzar en OA en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude
> y otros del "norte" pueden ayudarnos
>
> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil.
> Esta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open
> scientific data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>
> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>
> Carolina
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ortúzar
> <gortuzar at u.uchile.cl> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages
> in creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>
> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of
> academic journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing
> institutional repositories, etc..
> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)
> have also contributed to this development.
>
> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>
> Latin American Repositories Network
> http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
> developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous
> access to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>
> Latin America Thesis Portal
> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
> Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>
>
> Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>
>
> Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
> http://libros.uchile.cl/
>
>
> The south also exists !
>
>
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>
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> Universidad de Chile
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>
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>
> El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Guédon
> <jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca> escribió:
>
>
>
> > Me parece muy bien,
> >
> > pero...
> >
> > It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy
> > of good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that
> > could start low-hanging fruits and move forward from there.
> > Objectives do not need to be horizons; they can be plateaus
> > that allow launching the next stage of operations.
> >
> > This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly
> > leads the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national
> > repository that emerged very recently. Argentina has already
> > moved on this. Etc. etc.
> >
> > What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a
> > large majority of journals in Latin America are located
> > within universities. Thanks to projects like OJS, they are
> > fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, and
> > platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear
> > criteria of quality are accelerating the process.
> > Discussions are going on to explore the possibility of
> > creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
> > Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories.
> > These large collections of journals (6,000 at least are
> > vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an autonomous
> > scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication
> > in the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to
> > the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and
> > South-East Asia can imagine developing similar publication
> > poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a
> > healthy form of internationalization.
> >
> > In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the
> > right and power to create value over its own publications,
> > and not rely on such perverse tools as the impact factor,
> > etc. Other regions of the world will have a wonderful model
> > to follow.
> >
> > There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin
> > America: it is the very fascination for the impact factor in
> > some institutional sectors of Latin America. SciELO is an
> > example of this. But the science councils that are also the
> > funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
> > Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives
> > for people to publish in "international" journals (i.e.
> > journals that have garnered high IF's in Thomson-Reuters'
> > JCR).
> >
> > It might be a good idea to create a site to document such
> > practices in order to compare them, and criticize them as
> > silly and counterproductive.
> >
> > Jean-Claude
> >
> > Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
> > >
> > > This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still
> > > do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our
> > > governments call OA are actually just free access (public
> > > access)...
> > >
> > > So my question is: should we move a step forward to
> > > guarantee that all that is paid with public funding is OA
> > > under the Budapest declaration, which means licensed under
> > > a CC-by license ?
> > > Que les parece?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba
> > > <saraycg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > > Latin America is a open access region because open
> > > > access movement is stronger than other regions in the
> > > > world. Here you have the Unesco's
> > > > Goap http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes the OA situation from different facets.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to
> > > > Spanish the BOAI Forum
> > > > news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/.
> > > > Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers.
> > > > Before there was talked about open access in the world
> > > > (2001) these already existed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind
> > > > us that "the south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is
> > > > the best site to discuss about open access and to
> > > > support the local and regional development.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will
> > > > be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more
> > > > information visit: http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes
> > > > Saray
> > > >
> > > > 2013/6/13 Françoise Salager-Meyer
> > > > <francoise.sm at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the coverage of Latin American
> > > > journals (SciELO) in the web of science, here
> > > > are 2 interesting papers. The first one is
> > > > entitled "Latin American Scientific Journals:
> > > > from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fulltext
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Françoise Salager-Meyer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ***
> > > > > Greetings from Vancouver
> > > > >
> > > > > Interestingly enough, at least from the
> > > > > perspective of an earth sciences librarian, it
> > > > > appears that some journals that
> > > > > are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of
> > > > > Science and GeoRef.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example,
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't
> > > > > really surprise me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin Lindstrom
> > > > > Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
> > > > > Woodward Library
> > > > > 2198 Health Sciences Mall
> > > > > University of British Columbia
> > > > > Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
> > > > > Email:kevin.lindstrom at ubc.ca
> > > > > Voice: (604) 822-0695
> > > > > scieng.library.ubc.ca
> > > > >
> > > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > From: boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> > > > > [boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf
> > > > > of Jean-Claude Guédon
> > > > > [jean.claude.guedon at umontreal.ca]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> > > > > To: boai-forum at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> > > > > Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature
> > > > > of this group
> > > > > Having tried for years to demonstrate that
> > > > > what is going on outside the North Atlantic
> > > > > region of the world, is significant at a world
> > > > > scale - how long did it take for people to
> > > > > begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> > > > > RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000
> > > > > journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people
> > > > > mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and
> > > > > Ulrich's? - and after publishing several
> > > > > articles on this kind of issues, I would
> > > > > support Carolina's call with passion. I would
> > > > > simply add that local actions are wonderful,
> > > > > but one should never forget that their
> > > > > potential world impact is also great. The
> > > > > North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of
> > > > > wisdom in the scientific world, and it should
> > > > > not masquerade as the only site of
> > > > > "international" science (international here
> > > > > meaning "core journals" as defined by
> > > > > Thomson-Reuters...).
> > > > >
> > > > > What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably
> > > > > far more significant than all the battles in
> > > > > Britain about a silly Finch report, because
> > > > > the Finch report affects only Britain and
> > > > > Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of
> > > > > Britain, if it is not already the case. The
> > > > > future lies with Brazil, not Britain, or
> > > > > France or Germany.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am with you 120%' Carolina.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean-Claude
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400,
> > > > > Carolina Rossini a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the past few days, thinking on how to
> > > > > > advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering
> > > > > > if the members of this list could play a
> > > > > > more active role in supporting regional
> > > > > > policy initiatives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was thinking of a coalition of sorts,
> > > > > > which can publish statements and positions
> > > > > > supporting local actions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think? This would not change
> > > > > > other roles for this list, regarding
> > > > > > discussions on concepts and events, but
> > > > > > would add a additional and spicy element.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carolina
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Carolina Rossini
> > > > > > http://carolinarossini.net/
> > > > > > + 1 6176979389
> > > > > > *carolina.rossini at gmail.com*
> > > > > > skype: carolrossini
> > > > > > @carolinarossini
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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