[BOAI] Re: The affordability problem vs. the accessibility problem

Mon Nov 7 01:21:46 GMT 2011

Dear Allen,

you asked a good question ... 

and it has a clear answer in the printed world.

The problem is that the question is somewhat meaningless in the
digital world : what is a sale, what is production, what are market
rules, how do you fix prices, etc.  The point is we do not know what is
a digital economy, and I actually suspect that "digital economy" is an
oxymoron.

Except that digital intersect with physical. In a natural way because
creators have to eat. And also in artificial ways, when a work is
published both in print and digitally.

There is an economy of printed works, but not of digital works. They
just do not mix. Hence the problem you raise.  And the answer seems
obvious : in the long term, one will go.

and I do not mean that all the work preparation services, usually
provided by publishers (less and less) will go ... they will have to
be mechanized or paid for.  Somehow.

well ... I know I oversimplify ... but I do not want to spend time
elaborating further.

Bernard

P.S. Someday it should be fun to make an inventory of all the devices
created by human ingenuity to transform abundance into scarcity,
because scarcity is the only one economists can deal with. This is why
we are sometimes under the illusion that "digital economy" makes sense.

* Allen Kleiman <allenk at panix.com>, le 07-11-11, a écrit:
> Dear Knowing Sirs:
> Is this a matter of 'commerce'?
>  
> Suppose I own a car and offer it for sale to a rental company with the
> verification of its reliability and safety by two or three mechanics of
> questionable qualifications and skill. However, I want to include a
> condition of sale that the buyer will make the car available to all the poor
> people in my town for free since they can't afford to pay for the rental.
>  
> When a Publisher offers to print an article -- certified by referees of
> questionable repute -- and absorb the cost of publication, distribution, and
> etc., isn't he entitled to retain the rights of sale?
>  
>  
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> [mailto:boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tevni Grajales
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: boai-forum at ecs.soton.ac.uk; AmericanScientist Open Access Forum
> Subject: [BOAI] Re: The affordability problem vs. the accessibility problem
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I did not realize that "information" could taken outside the context
> of the Budapest Open Access Initiative in this BOAI-forum. I was talking
> about " to make research articles in all academic fields freely available in
> the internet" (www.doaj.org) . The point is FREELY AVAILABLE.  Do not miss
> the point, the open access initiative must be faithful to its origin and
> spirit.  
> 
> Tevni
> 
>   _____  
> 
> to make research articles in all academic fields freely available on the
> internetFrom: boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk
> [boai-forum-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Stevan Harnad
> [amsciforum at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: BOAI Forum; American Scientist Open Access Forum
> Subject: [BOAI] Re: The affordability problem vs. the accessibility problem
> 
> 
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011, Allen Kleiman wrote:
> 
> > Is there a difference between 'access to information 'and 'access to the
> > publishers copy'?
> 
> Yes, a lot:
> 
> (1) "Information" can mean any information: published, confidential, public,
> royalty-seeking, non-royalty-seeking, author give-away, non-author-giveaway.
> 
> (2) The primary target information of the OA movement is refereed research
> journal articles, all of which, without exception, are written exclusively
> for research uptake, usage and impact, not for royalty revenues.
> 
> (3) The restrictions (embargoes) that publishers place on OA self-archiving
> of the author's refereed, corrected, accepted final draft are far fewer than
> the restrictions on the publisher's version-or-record. (The publishers of
> over 60% of journals, including almost all the top journals in each field,
> already endorse OA self-archiving of the author's final draft -- but not the
> publisher's version-of-record -- immediately upon publication. These are
> called "green" publishers, and OA self-archiving is called "green OA.")
> 
> The OA movement is not -- and cannot be -- the movement for open access to
> all "information."
> 
> It is the movement for open access to refereed research journal articles.
> 
> The author's refereed, corrected, accepted final draft is the refereed
> journal article.
> 
> Access to the author's refereed, corrected, accepted final draft of a
> refereed journal article is the difference between night and day for all
> would-be users whose institutions cannot afford subscription access to the
> publisher's version of record.
> 
> This is why the first and most urgent priority of the OA movement is to
> ensure that all research institutions and funders mandate (require) the
> deposit of the author's refereed, corrected, accepted final draft of every
> refereed journal article in their institutional repository immediately upon
> publication (with access to the deposit immediately set as Open Access for
> at least 60% of the deposits from green journals, and the repository's
> semi-automated "email eprint request" Button providing "Almost OA" to the
> remaining 40% for individuals requesting access for research
> purposes.semi-automatically with two key-presses, at the discretion of the
> author).
> 
> Stevan Harnad
> 
> 
> 

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