[BOAI] Re: DOAJ, SPARC Europe Seal

[Bruno Granier]

I get Peter Suber's points 
I mean he is probably right but he is thinking on the readers' side only
BUT
I am on both side readers' and authors': authors from 4th and 3rd (even 2nd) world countries can hardly fully support the author-side fees...
the fact that there are no fee attached to my journal (either on the authors' or readers' side) does not mean that I do not understand the need for economical models (the "author-side fees" for instance).

see my "sad" conclusion...

FIRST PETER SUBER

A 13/01/2011 -0500 11:27, Peter Suber a écrit :
Dear Bruno,

There seem to be two questions here:  (1) whether journals that charge author-side fees can be OA, and (2) whether SPARC Europe and the DOAJ are justified in limiting the Seal of Approval to journals that use the CC-BY license.  

My answer is "yes" to both.  

1.  While most OA journals charge no author-side fees, and while I want the no-fee model to be more widely recognized, charging author-side fees is completely compatible with OA.  (It's *reader*-side fees that would constitute access barriers incompatible with OA.)  Charging author-side publication fees is a legitimate business model for OA journals, and is entirely compatible with the public definitions of OA from Budapest, Bethesda, and Berlin.

2.  I support the SPARC Europe and DOAJ judgment that the CC-BY license is best license for an OA journal.  This judgment is shared, by the way, by the Open Access Scholarly Publishers Association (OASPA) and SURF.  The CC-BY license puts the fewest restrictions on a work, and thereby makes the work as usable and useful as possible.  

I can add that the SPARC Europe and DOAJ Seal of Approval program is not intended to recognize every journal that fits into the definition of OA.  It's intended to recognize best practices, and use of the CC-BY license is a much better practice for OA research articles than the use of any more restrictive license.  I strongly support the Seal of Approval program and the criteria it uses.

Please feel free to share my reply with anyone.

     Best wishes,
     Peter

Peter Suber
Berkman Fellow, Harvard University
Research Professor of Philosophy, Earlham College
Senior Researcher, SPARC
Open Access Project Director, Public Knowledge
www.earlham.edu/~peters

SECOND MY disappointed REPLY 

Thank you Peter 
That is a bit disappointing on the authors' side

I mean ... my colleagues don't worry of giving away all their rights to publish in an Elsevier journal (for instance)
they already hardly publish in OA journals
they will "never" publish in a OA journal if it is a CC-BY
at least they will never publish in mine particularly if it turns to the CC-BY

((((Regarding research evaluation - until very recently and with very exceptions* - French CNRS did not want to consider publications in journals where the author paid to be published (which as some meaning particularly considering some commercial practices ...)
* for instance with Copernicus publications ... but the "real" reason why they agreed to get these journals ranked is that some CNRS people get a position in their editorial boards))))

Back to the topic:

Installing such restrictive rules will not encourage people (publishers, societies) to join DOAJ ... 

I thought I was doing the best I could, my journal is listed in DOAJ, I posted -more or less regularly- information on the DOAJ content, ... considering the work done and the time spent I am not going to leave DOAJ to protest against this sort of segregation

BUT I will not encourage allied journals* to join, to publish their content (it is additional work and does not really pay), to update their data, ...

*http://paleopolis.rediris.es/geosciences/

:(  Bruno


 		 	   		  
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